connected ps4 controller doesn't have correct inputs in game on PC. e.g. X button does not corespond to 'A' in the game.
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\n\n- The EA SPORTS FC 25 Team
\n\n\n\nHey everyone,
We have found a new workaround while investigating the issue.
Please disable Steam Input if playing the game on Steam, either for the game individually or across the platform. Additionally, please disable the EA app overlay, you can do that with the steps below:
----- Original Workaround -----
\n\nIf you're experiencing issues using the PlayStation controller in FC 25 on Steam, here are some instructions that may help you to solve this issue.
\n\nIf your Library screen for the game appears like in the picture below, you do not have Steam configured correctly for games that natively support this controller:
\n\n\n\n\n
In that case, close the game, and follow these instructions:
\n\nand then changing this setting back to the default setting of \"Enabled in Games w/o Support”
\n\n\n\n
This will ensure that Steam Input only enables when games do not natively support the controller.
\n\n\n\nYour Library page should now look like this:
\n\n\n
This should mean that your PlayStation controller will work correctly in-game. Now you can launch the game and verify if Inputes recognize correctly .
\n\n\n\nAlternatively, if you only want to disable Steam Input for FC 25, click “View controller settings” on the Library page here:
\n\n\n\n
And then select “Disable Steam Input” here:
\n\n\n
If these steps do not work for you please provide the following information:
Thank you you for your help!
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\n\n- The EA SPORTS FC 25 Team
\n\n\n\nHey everyone,
We have found a new workaround while investigating the issue.
Please disable Steam Input if playing the game on Steam, either for the game individually or across the platform. Additionally, please disable the EA app overlay, you can do that with the steps below:
----- Original Workaround -----
\n\nIf you're experiencing issues using the PlayStation controller in FC 25 on Steam, here are some instructions that may help you to solve this issue.
\n\nIf your Library screen for the game appears like in the picture below, you do not have Steam configured correctly for games that natively support this controller:
\n\nIn that case, close the game, and follow these instructions:
\n\nand then changing this setting back to the default setting of \"Enabled in Games w/o Support”
\n\nThis will ensure that Steam Input only enables when games do not natively support the controller.
\n\n\n\nYour Library page should now look like this:
\nThis should mean that your PlayStation controller will work correctly in-game. Now you can launch the game and verify if Inputes recognize correctly .
\n\n\n\nAlternatively, if you only want to disable Steam Input for FC 25, click “View controller settings” on the Library page here:
\nAnd then select “Disable Steam Input” here:
\nIf these steps do not work for you please provide the following information:
Thank you you for your help!
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controller and nothing is working , whatever you changed from ea 24 settings maybe you should switch them back , this a joke . during beta testing did nobody seem to give a damn about these issues ? Beta no PC user could controller now early release majority if not all PC users still cant use their controller
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I've got a licensed for PlayStation Razer controller.
And got same issues in FC24 but they've gone after I added FC24 and EA app as a non-Steam game and using controller input override in Steam.
Now about FC 25:
I've got a game via EA PRO subscribtion.
And can't use my gamepad in a game.
Tried to:
- just install and run from the EA app
- repair and run from the EA app
- add as non-steam game and run from the Steam
- add as non-steam game, turn on \"override\" gamepad inputs in settings and run from the Steam
Also tried all advices from this topic - all without any positive result.
And FC 24 still works fine via Steam. But not FC 25 =(
Also noticed than FC 25 is not marked green in a Steam's menu while it's running as it was with FC 24 and EA app.
Maybe they changed the way the process is launched for the FC 25 and now it doesn't want to launch as a child process of Steam and that's why last year's method of launching through Steam doesn't help in FC 25...
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