@mcsupersport wrote:What is Bioware trying to say about men in the game?? Take on these ideas and say "WHAT??"
1) Liam, straight love interest....basically an idiot and totally doesn't make sense based on his history or jobs.
2) Drak...Man's Man character..raised his grand-daughter, but is a relic of the past and will soon die.
3) Hark...krogan scientist, incredibly smart, but can't fight, isn't tough..aka would be called a wimp...gets the girl in the end, and is called the Future of Krogan.
4) Spender....human weasel...just a low life piece of self serving trash...
5) Number 8.....incompetent and while in charge isn't someone you trust.
6) Jaal...good fighter, smart, tough but always talking about feelings, opposite of Drak in he is fairly young and has a future.
7) Alec....ruthless, caring...DIES...
8) Gil...homosexual romance....smart, not a planner, effective in keeping the ship going.
Now look at the women....
8) Cora....male love interest....effective, trained, good looking, powerful, SHOULD have been pathfinder.
9) Lexi...smart, good looking, trained, educated, effective, doctor who keeps you all alive.
10) Vetra..smart, trained, effective, supplies trip and gets troubles out of your way.
11) Peebee...love interest....young, smartest in the room on Remanent, effective, powerful.
12) Kesh...smart, effective, tough, respected, keeps station alive.
13) Suvi....smart, absent minded but that is because of her extreme intelligence, educated, and effective as science officer.
So what patterns do you see, and what can you take from it???
Me, it seems like someone is trying to say something.....but you decide. HMMMMM???
Well, I decided that you picked and interpreted the things that you felt supported your theory, some of which didn't make any sense to me. You also presume that what you are interpreting are things that you think women like, which therefore means it's SJW...which is, in both aspects...well, presumptuous, don't you think? Your opinion is your own, of course, and everyone interprets things as they like.
Liam: Not my cuppa tea, but different and funny. I didn't have too much of a problem with him until his loyalty mission. The security officer engaged in a massive breach of security. In my book that made him reckless and irresponsible. Really couldn't look at him as anything else after that. The mission itself was funny though.
Drack: What's wrong with him? He's wise as krogan go, and funny. I enjoyed listening to him banter with Vetra. Unless you wanna interpret old as bad and only SJWs would like crusty old people. Maybe don't watch Logan's Run. I wonder why that was never remade... they remade just about everything else from the 70's.
Hark: took me a good five minutes to even remember who that was, but if hyper aggression brought the krogan to the brink of annihilation multiple times, a less aggressive one by definition will be the future of their people.
Spender: Yup. He's a racist weasel.
Tann: Yup. He's a political weasel.
Jaal: I guess I figured he wasn't talking about his feelings unless you were playing SisRyder. I did like the character's openness - the anti-Alenko.
Alec: I'm more of the opinion that Ryder Sr. died because he was an N7 - symbolically killed off by the writers in the beginning of a new series to make way for the new protagonist. No more N7 for you, fans! Wish they hadn't done that. I'd have had more fun playing a DadRyder or MomRyder I think.
Gil, the anti-Kallo: He's a bit shortsighted and impulsive, really
Kallo, the anti-Gil: He's a bit too rigid, really
But I like them both - funny, talented engineers keeping the ship in one piece.
Cora: I like Cora, but she's a follower, and has never taken her own initiative and been a leader. That's why DadRyder passed her over - she wasn't ready. She spends the entire game telling you about how she needs to look to somebody else's guidance or opinion, or strategies.
Lexi: It's hard to think of Lexi as pretty since the devs made her appearance so completely interchangeable. Looks like every other asari except Peebee. She's a bit awkward, but I like her.
Vetra: Yup. FemGarrus. Well, softened up a bit by a kid sister.
Peebee: FemLiam. Also cooled her heels in my games. I wanted to cycle the airlock in the escape pod she was blocking, really, but there was no option to space her. I will say I got a mod that removed that ridiculous raccoon mask, and I am no longer annoyed as much.
Kesh: I like her. There was a severe shortage of krogan females, or any krogans portrayed as smart in the series.
Suvi: You forgot to mention she is a homosexual romance option as well. Also a likeable sort, sciencing the snot out of things for the team. I like the conversations with her, but otherwise *shrug*
Other forgotten honorable mentions:
Addison: She's a mean spirited bureaucrat who didn't appeal any more than Tann. Her face is tired...I was tired of the character a good 15 seconds after I encountered her, but antagonists are there to be interesting foils in character interactions.
Sloan: Arrogant, tyrannical, evil/brutal weasel. I'm told that in the books, her character's motivations make her a lot more sympathetic, but I will probably never read them and would space her too, given the option. She reminds me of Aria, and she needed spacing a few games ago.
Reyes: Dishonest, self-serving untrustworthy weasel someone thought would be charming. And, stuck me with the bill. Still, I think he's likely to be better for Kadara in power. Just don't trust him not to shoot you in the head if it serves his purpose.
Kandros: Wish we could take him on the mission squads, but we only hear him in MP. When it's not bugged out.
@TeahouseFox wrote:Liam: Not my cuppa tea, but different and funny. I didn't have too much of a problem with him until his loyalty mission. The security officer engaged in a massive breach of security. In my book that made him reckless and irresponsible. Really couldn't look at him as anything else after that. The mission itself was funny though.
Drack: What's wrong with him? He's wise as krogan go, and funny. I enjoyed listening to him banter with Vetra. Unless you wanna interpret old as bad and only SJWs would like crusty old people. Maybe don't watch Logan's Run. I wonder why that was never remade... they remade just about everything else from the 70's.
Hark: took me a good five minutes to even remember who that was, but if hyper aggression brought the krogan to the brink of annihilation multiple times, a less aggressive one by definition will be the future of their people.
Alec: I'm more of the opinion that Ryder Sr. died because he was an N7 - symbolically killed off by the writers in the beginning of a new series to make way for the new protagonist. No more N7 for you, fans! Wish they hadn't done that. I'd have had more fun playing a DadRyder or MomRyder I think.
Lexi: It's hard to think of Lexi as pretty since the devs made her appearance so completely interchangeable. Looks like every other asari except Peebee. She's a bit awkward, but I like her.
Kesh: I like her. There was a severe shortage of krogan females, or any krogans portrayed as smart in the series.
Sloan: Arrogant, tyrannical, evil/brutal weasel. I'm told that in the books, her character's motivations make her a lot more sympathetic, but I will probably never read them and would space her too, given the option. She reminds me of Aria, and she needed spacing a few games ago.
Reyes: Dishonest, self-serving untrustworthy weasel someone thought would be charming. And, stuck me with the bill. Still, I think he's likely to be better for Kadara in power. Just don't trust him not to shoot you in the head if it serves his purpose.
Kandros: Wish we could take him on the mission squads, but we only hear him in MP. When it's not bugged out.
Oh, Teahouse, you can't go dissing Aria, she's awesome, if grouchy at times. She's even on the Benefactor list.
Anyway, you should probably read Nexus Uprising. Good story, although it took me about 3 pages to figure out that Sloane was always meant to be a patsy, and another 3 to seriously question what sort of organization has the second in command accountant outrank the chiefs of security, engineering, colonial development, and possibly maintenance. All I can figure is that some kind of disaster was going to happen, Scourge or no Scourge, thanks Benefactor (probably). But if you like a good Sloane vs Reyes debate there is a nice thread you should dig into.
As I recall, you only meet 3 female Krogan in the series, and they're all pretty good, even Morda, as long as you don't have to deal with her in person (making the Krogan learn new mating rituals by watching rom-coms)
Liam wasn't my favorite character, but he’s nice enough. In a lot of ways he’s sort of another Sloane, idealistic, impulsive, has an iffy background, and perfectly placed to take the blame. That could easily be the start of the next MEA, disaster on the Tempest, or the Nexus, or Meridian, or all of the above, Pathfinder Rider and some of the other crew missing, and Liam left holding the bag.
Hark seems almost seems to be based on Hiccup from How To Train Your Dragon, which goes a long way to explaining so much.
Lexi, all I can say is “* YOU, DOCTOR-PATIENT ETHICS!”
And Alec, the master of wheels within wheels ad infinitum, who we can’t play because we would then have to know what is in all those wheels, plus he may still be alive.
Of course, if MEA actually gets sequels it may change our view of the character. For instance, ME1 Ashley was one of my favorite characters in the game, while ME3 Ashley was basically her evil clone, except the only evil clone we’ve met in the series is much more enjoyable.
I overall liked the game, although I face a few of the same issues people have brought up: the unfinished stories, dialog system that does nothing, and the general feel that your actions don't have much effect. That's one of the things I liked about DAI, as you take territory/bases you occupy it and even get missions from some of your occupied positions.
I have enjoyed MEA right from the start. Even prerelease patch. Every playthrough have been a very exciting ride. Of course combat is an improvement of the older games. There are things that could have been made better and I am somewhat disappointed that they didn't put in the time and effort to iron out some more of the games issues. Mostly in animation department and some broken quests. What we have with patch 1.10 is for the most past great though. But compared to the ****show of Kai Lame those were minor gripes. 😃
I will keep playing MEA for a long time every now and then. Warts and all. But on the other hand it isn't as though its predecessors didn't have their fair share of warts as well. 😛
