Alec Ryder (spoilers)
No matter how I try, I can't feel sorry for him or make him heroic...
and his death doesn't make sense in the first place.
Penetrating the suit isn't a death sentence or the comm lady would al...
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Im not sure on the exact medical science but I am pretty sure 4 mins without oxygen is pretty much a death sentence. Maybe the air is also toxic to an extent? Id have to go back and see what the game said about the atmoshohere comp for that.
I did wonder why they couldn't just keep swapping the one working helmet, but maybe it takes a little long to repressurise on a swap for that. (Sara was already loosing conciousness as the helm was placed on her head.) Lack of oyxgen is a probelmatic thing that causes all kinds of issues even before you reach the point of no return, if the air was also toxic that would present it's own set of issues.
The one who had a suit rupture from being shot may have easily repaired that but an entire broken face mask is much more difficult to repair.
A toxic environment would seep into your skin and everything, so you could hold yiur breath all you want and still be harmed by it. Now I really want to go back and take note of what was in the atmosphere.
They pull the drowned and hypothermic back from the dead past 4 minutes. They can also do that with heart attack victims. Pure vacuum it depends on your body mass, and if you empty your lungs or not, but even brushes with that have been survived. https://www.newscientist.com/blog/space/2008/06/how-long-can-you-survive-in-vacuum-of.html
Here's a better article from Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/survival-in-space-unprotected-possible/
The suit should automatically try to pressurize and blow air out through whatever hole there is until the supply runs out - or it would never work as a spacesuit in the first place.
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Its really hard to work on a timeline where not being able to breathe is concerned- for eg time already passed before he saw Sara and contacted Cora for an extraction. Then time for the shuttle to land and load her on.. chances are very high the broken helm ryder would have been dead. Sam can onky help the one with the link - so maybe able to have helped dad but guess he wasn't taking chances. Really tricky thing and split second decisions imo
[Edit] also as a parent standing watching your kid suffocating you would just do it you wouldn't stop to think. He wasn't being a hero just a parent
@Nykara360 wrote:
Its really hard to work on a timeline where not being able to breathe is concerned- for eg time already passed before he saw Sara and contacted Cora for an extraction. Then time for the shuttle to land and load her on.. chances are very high the broken helm ryder would have been dead. Sam can onky help the one with the link - so maybe able to have helped dad but guess he wasn't taking chances. Really tricky thing and split second decisions imo
[Edit] also as a parent standing watching your kid suffocating you would just do it you wouldn't stop to think. He wasn't being a hero just a parent
There's a reason they remind you every time you fly that, in the event the oxygen mask deploy, you put yours on first... mainly because unconscious people cannot put oxygen masks on their children. N7 training should get you past the panic in life or death situations or they really should consider restructuring it.
If the atmosphere is toxic, jamming a helmetful of toxic air on my head is not going to help much... and telling me to breathe deep is a *really* bad idea.
I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for him, and be greatful I'm not dead, and that I should somehow appreciate him choosing to die... and be willing to just accept him as he is, and keep his secrets, and not question any of it too closely. But all of that is really hokey plot.
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@jpcerutti1 wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:
Its really hard to work on a timeline where not being able to breathe is concerned- for eg time already passed before he saw Sara and contacted Cora for an extraction. Then time for the shuttle to land and load her on.. chances are very high the broken helm ryder would have been dead. Sam can onky help the one with the link - so maybe able to have helped dad but guess he wasn't taking chances. Really tricky thing and split second decisions imo
[Edit] also as a parent standing watching your kid suffocating you would just do it you wouldn't stop to think. He wasn't being a hero just a parent
There's a reason they remind you every time you fly that, in the event the oxygen mask deploy, you put yours on first... mainly because unconscious people cannot put oxygen masks on their children. N7 training should get you past the panic in life or death situations or they really should consider restructuring it.
If the atmosphere is toxic, jamming a helmetful of toxic air on my head is not going to help much.
I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for him, and be greatful I'm not dead, and that I should somehow appreciate him choosing to die... and be willing to just accept him as he is, and keep his secrets, and not question any of it too closely. But all of that is really hokey plot.
There is a reason all that training also usually includes rules about not working with people you love or care about. No matter how much training you have it all vanishes when your kids in trouble. Although I don't think he paniced, he just acted, quickly in favor of his kids safety over his own. May or may not have considered all the possible actions and outcomes and decided to go with the safest one for them. I just don't think there was any other motives behind it.
I also don't see Alec as a hero for saving his kid, too much else would suggest he wasn't the best person on many fronts, or even an overly nice one. Just a person who made a choice at a critical moment that resulted in 1 person living, 1 dying, SAM being transferred to an untrained Pathfinder (cause the Ryders are the only ones with the modified implants).
He shafted Cora big time, trained her, groomed her, never was going to make her Pathfinder, not the act of a nice person in its own right.
He had one goal and one goal only, save Ellen's life. Didn't care what got mowed down in the process (including his own kids and their careers).
Maybe he couldn't have lived with facing Ellen and telling her one of their kids died. Who knows. End result still the same and SAM got passed on to the next likely to be just as invested in saving mum.
Is it wrong of me to hope for a ton of moral decisions when finding mums cure? See how far the Ryder kid is willing to go to save mum?
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I don't think they've heard of 'Buddy breathing'
It's an ancient milky way technique used by scuba divers lost to the modern space-faring peoples with detachable oxygen helmets 🙂
@RedM3rcury wrote:
I don't think they've heard of 'Buddy breathing'
It's an ancient milky way technique used by scuba divers lost to the modern space-faring peoples with detachable oxygen helmets 🙂That assumes it's feasible and doable with their equipment and that player Ryder isn't basically unconscious already. It requires a bit of teamwork to do it right.
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