Are the rumors actually true about Miranda?
I preordered on steam and when i opened the forums up i see tons of threads saying they changed cut scenes of her azz so it doesn't show it? IS this true? That would be a shame because i really don...
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@SofaJockeyUK I guess it depends how extreme the reframing is, like i seem to remember one part of the conversations with Miranda where she went over to the window and the camera saw her butt while she was walking. If they changed it to have miranda walking to the camera it would be weird, lose that effect of looking out into space while contemplating. Also I don't remember Shephard in a black dress specifically, i only played her once but I do remember that i didnt like shephard dressed up in any scene ever. It literally always looked weird seeing her out of military gear. Maybe it was because I played male shephard most of the time and his dress up gear was still functional if there was a surprise battle? or maybe the femshep character model was weird and didn't suit dresses, i really can't remember what i found so weird about it.
I do wonder if people are upset because of changes to the original game (no matter how small) affecting the game they loved or if they are upset because miranda puts the * in mass effect :O
Personally, I'm in the boat that cutscenes and story should be untouched save for being made prettier. Leave all the changes as gameplay improvements so new players can experience the game smooth as butter and be able to talk to old players about the cutscenes and story they loved. I guess if character models are updated it would impact cutscenes a bit too. I do worry a bit because I have heard of some remasters of other games where people cried about things being too sexual and so changes were made to 'remove the problem' and then it's overdone to the point of being unrealistic. I think it might have been some tomb raider game? where a female character who was super active and would have a lot of muscle had complaints of her butt being sexualised so they gave her a flat * which was incredibly weird on someone who climbs so much. I might have got the wrong franchise there :P didnt pay much attention to it, but my point is that i hope they don't go changing all the women in ME and making things weird.
This isn't about them editing Miranda's character model. It's about them possibly choosing different frames instead of the base and excessive shots of Miranda's butt designed to sell the game. There's a difference between what Mass Effect Andromeda did with their eldritch character creator and excessively sexualizing a character.
By the way, if we were talking original ME designs, we'd also be talking about de-glaming Ashley Williams and shrinking FemShep's ever growing bust between the games. Or that leather hooker's dress from Mass Effect 3. If the one thing they flagged in the series was the shots of Miranda's butt being excessive, it was probably something originally done not from design but marketing. Miranda Lawson is also based off Yvonne Strahovski so there's an actress they probably preferred the idea of the original emphasis on her performance instead of marketing- "can we have more shots of her butt".
There's also the infamous shape that made its way into the game when you scoped with a sniper rifle onto EDI with the wrong armor set on. It's not creativity these things make it into games, it's marketing and/or someone's fantasy trips.
@Allison_X5-734You act like Sexualization is wrong. Since I never hear any complaints about half naked guys.
Also Miranda was a great character herself. The * scenes were not there to sell the game. LMFAO.And if it offends you... boo hoo?
No wonder america gets stuff like Abby or the girl from gears of War in our games.
Can we go back please.Have to agree with you on this. Where was the sexualization outrage in the "naked swap scene" in Mass Effect Andromeda?? How about the shirtless Jacob or video of him doing situps(DLC shadowbroker)?? What about James Vega, jarhead extreme, but with muscles out to there, always flexing and showing off??
How about EVERY male hero having a 6pk abs, and WIDE shoulders, narrow waists, and tight butts that less than 5% of the men will ever have?? Yet, when we hear about over sexualization and objectification it is ALWAYS only about women, and how they look.
Hate to break it, but humans are a sexual species....it is biological to want to procreate and having issues with this is stupid, and most times caused either by jealousy, or feeling of inadequacy. I personally want the characters in my games(and movies) to be larger than life, more perfect than possible and more beautiful than 99% of the world....if I wanted mundane and ordinary, I will go talk to my neighbors or co-workers. I want the escape.
@mcsupersport wrote:Have to agree with you on this. Where was the sexualization outrage in the "naked swap scene" in Mass Effect Andromeda?? How about the shirtless Jacob or video of him doing situps(DLC shadowbroker)?? What about James Vega, jarhead extreme, but with muscles out to there, always flexing and showing off??
How about EVERY male hero having a 6pk abs, and WIDE shoulders, narrow waists, and tight butts that less than 5% of the men will ever have?? Yet, when we hear about over sexualization and objectification it is ALWAYS only about women, and how they look.
Hate to break it, but humans are a sexual species....it is biological to want to procreate and having issues with this is stupid, and most times caused either by jealousy, or feeling of inadequacy. I personally want the characters in my games(and movies) to be larger than life, more perfect than possible and more beautiful than 99% of the world....if I wanted mundane and ordinary, I will go talk to my neighbors or co-workers. I want the escape.
They use the excuse calling it a "power fantasy" from what I have read about this same topic talking about guys whatever the * that means.
- @Allison_X5-734
"It's not creativity these things make it into games, it's marketing and/or someone's fantasy trips." - Allison_X5-734
In Mass Effect Miranda's character is said to be genetically engineered to be perfect, and Miranda specifically says in some game dialogs that her looks are part of that--- which she uses as an asset to take advantage of. So actually showing off Miranda's exceptionally attractive appearance with camera angles that show her butt and that sort of thing is indeed part of her character and the original creative direction of the game. So it's not just about 'marketing' or 'fantasy trips' as you claim.
And frankly, I don't see why it should matter even if it was about fantasy trips or marketing because there's nothing wrong with male players who find a game more enjoyable with an attractive female squadmate like Miranda.Miranda is stunning and unless you have some thing for that part of her, she has many other pretty features which make her attractive, and it's her looks as a whole, not simply her butt. They had an issue going back over the material with that aspect so obviously they felt it detracted having so much focus on one part instead of the whole package, hell I think she has (even with current graphics) a stunning complexion and eyes. Her outfit's cute as hell. Had a modded version I loved for the third game for my Shepard till I broke it moving computers.
To me personally, I tend to tune out the body shots that are too much- obviously Mac Walters can't and it's his prerogative since Mass Effect 2 and 3 were better for their inclusion of Miranda, not for their inclusion of Miranda's butt as her defining trait. Obviously they should lead any romance led lines and/or scenes alone and subsequent focus wherever it lands since they'd have been designed to be sexualized, which they should be.
- @Allison_X5-734 It doesn't matter what you yourself personally think. Again a minority and part of the 10 people only who care about this thing.
Even if you were 100% correct, it will never change the fact that it was still in the original.... so common sense it should be in the remaster.
i vaguely remember a conversation with Miranda that she was made to be perfect tho and she did like to flaunt it so to speak this isn't only about fantasies and not only for the "male audiance" i talked to more lesbians who comment this scene more then most guys..
this is nothing more then censorship if it was wrong they would have changed it back then Yvonne specificity said she would play it and see it for her self not sure if she did but no comment about it was ever made by her.
true times change but censorship is never right and should not happen if this was a concern it should not been remastered from the beginning
ive cancelled my pre order and will buy it again when / if i hear this is changed back to original scene.
