So if I want the augmentations off my chestpiece to put on the new one, I need a chestpiece to put on so I can remove the chestpiece I have on. Then I can deconstruct it. This is why, if I remember to do so, I keep an extra one of everything which I don't use except to put on so I can craft. I feel like this is something that not only can be handled better, but should be. What do you think? Is this a problem/pain and if so, what are some ideas on how to fix it? I'm thinking that they should just let us be able to load out naked or if we do loud out "naked" (and it is into a combat zone) it will give us the default level I gear that has no stats. On a side note, was it always like this in Mass Effect? I don't remember.

@PretzleMe wrote: So if I want the augmentations off my chestpiece to put on the new one, I need a chestpiece to put on so I can remove the chestpiece I have on. Then I can deconstruct it. This is why, if I remember to do so, I keep an extra one of everything which I don't use except to put on so I can craft. I feel like this is something that not only can be handled better, but should be. What do you think? Is this a problem/pain and if so, what are some ideas on how to fix it? I'm thinking that they should just let us be able to load out naked or if we do loud out "naked" (and it is into a combat zone) it will give us the default level I gear that has no stats. On a side note, was it always like this in Mass Effect? I don't remember. i have to agree with the op here. though on a few of my PTs (the ones with adaptable characters) my character keeps a few sets of armor depending on what i need the gear to do at any given time. so not as much an issue for them. but otherwise it's an annoyance to keep duplicates of all my augs for new armor. if you forget to reequip your armor in the field it would be alright for the stock lvl1 initiative gear to be given to your character, imho.

@EgoMania wrote: I'll admit this crafting system is a bit of a mystery to me still. I wondered if there was a way to retrieve augments or even just deconstruct crafted items at all cause so far I hadn't run into it and the game doesn't really explain these things very clearly or I missed something. Since I've only played on normal difficulty I haven't really been in trouble because of it, so it's more that it's an annoyance for me. Anyone have any suggestions about a good source of info about this stuff? Yup if you deconstruct your weapons and armor, all your augs and mods will be back in your inventory, DONT sell them though, if you sell your weapon, you sell all attached augs.

I don't think something needs to be bugged to be implemented horribly. The profile switching system isn't bugged and that is (as it is now) horribly designed. The inventory and crafting system (and or how they work together) is also an awful design. That is to say, that in both cases, there were more effective ways to implement them that would have both, fit the settings of the game, and done so without being so overly restrictive. I understand this may not be a big deal to some. Nothing is of the same importance to every single other person for a variety of reasons (varying mindsets and or play styles for example) but the need to carry extra gear just to be able to adjust the actual gear you use, isn't logical. If I want to take my shirt off, I don't need another shirt to put on before I can. It is a terrible design that handling what I'm wearing is easier now than it is 100+ years in the future, lol.

@PretzleMe It's even worse because it's 60% (meaning the Black Widow is a bolt-action rifle with it), which is where my complaints about the weapon mods come in. As I posted earlier, you can make a Pathfinder Ranger with 80+ round mags and infinite ammunition because the pistol 'ammunition' modification is for magazine size, which is king when we deal with the VHS, which removes the concern for spare ammo. This doesn't work with the other weapons however, as the only upgrades for magazine size are skills and the ammunition modification for all other guns is for spare ammo - utterly useless with the VHS. This means the two best weapon types for the VHS are: Any pistol. High damage, low spare-ammo weapons, like the Pathfinder Observer or Crusader. There should be many more options for weapon mods. As it stands I can tell you right now that I will never not have a pistol with Receiver/Scope/Mag/Barrel because they're the only mods you need, and the other option is Melee Optimizer, which is better on a shotgun for reasons I shouldn't even need to mention (unless you're using the Talon).

Yup agreed as well. Especially when you are starting from level 1 again and dont have much resources, you will need to deconstruct to get the resources for an upgrade. There was once I forgot, went ahead and deconstructed a bunch of other armor and couldnt swap it out, man that was frustrating... Constructed another suit that I didnt want, wore it, deconstruct the current one, made the new one then swap out and deconstruct the temp one. So annoying. Perhaps bioware have a construction mechanism that give the option of using your previous armor as a base to add on for the improvement. So for example if you need 100 units of platinum for construction, the previous one will have 80 if deconstructed, all you need now is the excess 20. Augs will automatically go back to the inventory. Since you cant construct weapons or armor for your squad, it just doesnt make sense to keep the lower version.

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EgoMania
Seasoned Ace
9 years ago
Ahh I see your point with the VHS.

Yeah, it's tricky like that. It seems to be that it would've been so much easier to have a system where you can simply rip the mods out at a small credit cost for example and then stick em in another piece of gear will crafting, but that's my days of SWTOR talking hehe.
Anonymous
9 years ago
The whole system of loot, crafting, research, inventory, buy/sell, deconstruct, augment and consumables should be revised, very, very carefully.
arthurh3535
9 years ago
@PandaTar wrote:

The whole system of loot, crafting, research, inventory, buy/sell, deconstruct, augment and consumables should be revised, very, very carefully.

I actually find it to be pretty cool and useful already. I don't understand why it needs a change unless it has an actual problem.
Anonymous
9 years ago
If we are talking about understanding, both of us understand different things. That's that. Obviously, I'm on the disadvantage, given my understanding sees the current mechanics utterly bad-designed, although 'it works'. On the other hand, you are on the advantage, because it's just like you'd judge ok.
arthurh3535
9 years ago
@PandaTar wrote:

If we are talking about understanding, both of us understand different things. That's that. Obviously, I'm on the disadvantage, given my understanding sees the current mechanics utterly bad-designed, although 'it works'. On the other hand, you are on the advantage, because it's just like you'd judge ok.

What is 'utterly bad-designed' actually mean? You don't understand how the slots work? How you can get extra slots? What you can slot into them? What benefits they give?

Complaining without _any_ specifics is just griping.
Anonymous
9 years ago
I was talking holistically, regarding the previous post, not only augment allotting. I understand how the mechanics work and I understanding, by my own means, how they could be improved by my own reasoning and I have pointed out in another thread days ago, which makes me unwilling to elaborate them here again.

And again, that's about personal reasoning, you may agree or not with it, even if one understands, you see.
arthurh3535
9 years ago
@PandaTar wrote:

I was talking holistically, regarding the previous post, not only augment allotting. I understand how the mechanics work and I understanding, by my own means, how they could be improved by my own reasoning and I have pointed out in another thread days ago, which makes me unwilling to elaborate them here again.

And again, that's about personal reasoning, you may agree or not with it, even if one understands, you see.

Utterly bad-designed is very strong for a system I don't see any actual breaking bugs issues. 96% resistance may be overkill, but technically something they wanted.

Do you have the link or title of that thread?
Anonymous
9 years ago
You may find a link of it in the first page of this same thread, bottom of the page. There I would point out a suggestion around these mechanics. Probably requires refinement, but I mainly had to place them on paper, if you know what I mean.

P.S.: oh, mind you I'm not talking about bugs or crashing issues either. And again, that's a matter of opinion.
Anonymous
9 years ago
I don't think something needs to be bugged to be implemented horribly. The profile switching system isn't bugged and that is (as it is now) horribly designed.

The inventory and crafting system (and or how they work together) is also an awful design. That is to say, that in both cases, there were more effective ways to implement them that would have both, fit the settings of the game, and done so without being so overly restrictive.

I understand this may not be a big deal to some. Nothing is of the same importance to every single other person for a variety of reasons (varying mindsets and or play styles for example) but the need to carry extra gear just to be able to adjust the actual gear you use, isn't logical.

If I want to take my shirt off, I don't need another shirt to put on before I can. It is a terrible design that handling what I'm wearing is easier now than it is 100+ years in the future, lol.
EgoMania
Seasoned Ace
9 years ago
@arthurh3535 wrote:

Utterly bad-designed is very strong for a system I don't see any actual breaking bugs issues. 96% resistance may be overkill, but technically something they wanted.

Do you have the link or title of that thread?

Poor design has nothing to do with bugs. Poor design means it's working as intended but what they intended isn't working for people. That can be a matter of opinion but I do find there are design issues in the crafting and gearing system.

Part of it is that it's not very clear for me what the effects are of different choices. In fact a lot of things I have trouble with is how the UI is designed, from trading screens to the crafting screen. Doesn't mean it's bugged or broken (although there are some bugs), but it does mean for me that it's been poorly designed and it could've been designed better for me to enjoy it more.

Maybe some people like to test all varieties of guns and test them against each other. I just like to have a clue what I'm doing and a better overview of what I have in stock and what I need it for. I've done crafting in various other games and if we take crafting in another BW game like SWTOR, I just have to say that it was easier to figure things out there for me. The interface was just not as clunky and much clearer. Personally I think a lot of it has to do that these games are designed as a console game first and PC game second nowadays. I never was a big fan of console gaming and the interfaces were part of that.

Also the naming can be confusing. Sometimes I have to really look at weapon mods and wonder if an augment does damage to an enemies shield or if it's adding a bonus to my shields, for example. I also don't like how inventory is organised. For example, if you go to weapons you cannot see all the weapons you have in your inventory. You have to actually drill down to a screen below it, it doesn't just open the area that you can collapse again. So yeah, it works, but it's not a great design in my view.

So I do get the complaints here. The UI in the game does feel like it was made 10 years ago rather than up-to-date. It works but it's what I call clunky. It's not going to stop me playing but it's a regular annoyance.

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