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I Like Sloane
There, I said it.
I know you(Bioware) want me to pick Reyes, and made her one of the few killable characters in the game, but she's straight with me and the world, has a beautifully complicated ba...
Sloane great pick
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@PretzleMe wrote:
I can see how one might arrive at your conclusions but I disagree. This is not to say I am right, only to state my opinion.
Reyes, could have been more out in the open. Done things the way Sloane did, especially after Sloane was dead. He still decides to remain an unknown to most people. I point this out because there is a difference (while they can go hand in hand) between wanting to be important and wanting to be seen as important. And when you want people to see you as important (or in this case as Queen/King) you're likely to perceive threats even where there aren't any if anyone seems to outshine you.
Sloane has a throne, talks down and disrespects everyone including you who could easily had proven to be beneficial to her people. Has a history of being against authority unless she's the one that has it and lies in order to maintain the view of omnipotence and or being invincible in the eyes of people.
So despite Reyes claiming that he wants to be somebody, Sloane is the one that demonstrates more so that she is about ruling others and doing so solely for her own personal gain in my opinion.
I have to argue this a little. First of all, I have never encountered any Mass Effect books, so I am just going by what is in the game for my information, just like Ryder would. Sloane has shown no real tendency to stomp out anyone for "outshining" her, in fact she tends to be so hands off in that regard that she almost avoids fighting the Collective until it's too late. She is still fighting the war on the Kett, and our first meeting with her is actually very similar to meeting Evfra. They both distrust you as a possible, or even probable, enemy, although you can earn their grudging respect and partial alliance.
Interesting, using the problem with authority argument (Cough, Cough, Alec, Cough, Cough, Ryder frequently undermining/ignoring Tann & Co.'s authority, Cough, Cough, Pathfinders mutinying to go find Meridian), especially when it could just as easily apply to Reyes. Based on what I've see, it looks like Sloane is a hardcore Libertarian, and trying to run Kadara Port, and to a lesser degree Kadara, according to those principles, IE Strong military, everyone pays their own way with no exceptions, and minimal government interference/rules on people's business and personal lives. Sadly, this often includes drug use (see Gary Johnson). You will note there are only 2 rules in Kadara Port.
Admittedly, she has poor control of her troops, although she does inspire loyalty. This is due to a couple of main issues. Firstly, she seems to be trying to allow her troops as much freedom as possible, which should be significantly less than anyone else in a freedom loving society, which she may not understand. The second reason is she is the sort of commander who leads from the front, and she is forced to stay in the Outcast HQ in order to prevent the various crews of scum in the badlands from taking over and making things worse, although she sneaks out as often as possible to personally handle problems. This is why Reyes wants to stay anonymous as the Charlatan, and continue to rule from the shadows, so no one can take a shot at the head of the snake. You can be someone as the Shadow Broker just as easily as on the supermarket tabloids.
As for the drug issue, if you give the formula to the Asari instead of Dr. Nakamura and Reyes takes over, does he shut it down or just take it over?
"....Sloane has shown no real tendency to stomp out anyone for "outshining" her, in fact she tends to be so hands off in that regard that she almost avoids fighting the Collective until it's too late..."
This is likely due to her not believing they are outshining her. But more importantly, in the context I am using it, it only would apply to allies and or those in her employ. Her being hands off only supports the idea that she believes she is above all and thus doesn't need to get her hands dirty. She does give me the impression based on what she does in the game as well as how she talks, that should you seem to outshine her or be an authority on Kadara, she will betray you/the Initiative... not to mention she already betrayed the Initiative once.
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"....She is still fighting the war on the Kett, and our first meeting with her is actually very similar to meeting Evfra...."
Similar, except Evfra does show more respect and decency towards you. He even empathizes with you from the beginning.
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"....Interesting, using the problem with authority argument ...."
The fake coughing was too distracting for me to understand what you were trying to say in regards to this but yes, she has a problem with authority and prefers to instead be a ruler. She literally has a throne, has a history of defying authority, and has already turned on the Initiative once.
There is much to suggest that the real reason she left Nexus wasn't because she cared about people but she saw it as a means to become the ruler of another group. Almost a "better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven" kind of mentality.
So based on the above as well as other things stated, not just by me, I am of the opinion that she is more likely to betray you than someone with Reyes' personality type. I am not saying I am right nor am I saying that it is illogical to believe otherwise. I am just pointing out logical reasons to be of a different mindset.
@PretzleMe wrote:
"....Sloane has shown no real tendency to stomp out anyone for "outshining" her, in fact she tends to be so hands off in that regard that she almost avoids fighting the Collective until it's too late..."
This is likely due to her not believing they are outshining her. But more importantly, in the context I am using it, it only would apply to allies and or those in her employ. Her being hands off only supports the idea that she believes she is above all and thus doesn't need to get her hands dirty. She does give me the impression based on what she does in the game as well as how she talks, that should you seem to outshine her or be an authority on Kadara, she will betray you/the Initiative... not to mention she already betrayed the Initiative once.
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"....She is still fighting the war on the Kett, and our first meeting with her is actually very similar to meeting Evfra...."
Similar, except Evfra does show more respect and decency towards you. He even empathizes with you from the beginning.
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"....Interesting, using the problem with authority argument ...."
The fake coughing was too distracting for me to understand what you were trying to say in regards to this but yes, she has a problem with authority and prefers to instead be a ruler. She literally has a throne, has a history of defying authority, and has already turned on the Initiative once.
There is much to suggest that the real reason she left Nexus wasn't because she cared about people but she saw it as a means to become the ruler of another group. Almost a "better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven" kind of mentality.
So based on the above as well as other things stated, not just by me, I am of the opinion that she is more likely to betray you than someone with Reyes' personality type. I am not saying I am right nor am I saying that it is illogical to believe otherwise. I am just pointing out logical reasons to be of a different mindset.
Then how does her coming to the final battle fit in? She wasn't asked to - actually has a snarky remark about it. She also hangs around on the Hyperion to talk to you afterward.
"....Then how does her coming to the final battle fit in? She wasn't asked to - actually has a snarky remark about it. She also hangs around on the Hyperion to talk to you afterward...."
That is a great question. My answer would be that it benefits her to have the Kett beaten and being involved in such a massive victory further cements her power on Kadara. If I remember correctly, she lied about how thoroughly she had defeated the Kett on Kadara.
She does this, as I mentioned before, because she wants to create a since of being untouchable. It's similar to those who once called themselves God-Kings in my opinion.
In short, it benefited her to be there.
@PretzleMe wrote:
"....Then how does her coming to the final battle fit in? She wasn't asked to - actually has a snarky remark about it. She also hangs around on the Hyperion to talk to you afterward...."
That is a great question. My answer would be that it benefits her to have the Kett beaten and being involved in such a massive victory further cements her power on Kadara. If I remember correctly, she lied about how thoroughly she had defeated the Kett on Kadara.
She does this, as I mentioned before, because she wants to create a since of being untouchable. It's similar to those who once called themselves God-Kings in my opinion.
In short, it benefited her to be there.
Everybody keeps saying that, I'll have to go back and replay it.
What *I* remember is her saying she's driven them from Kadara, which she has, and pretty much/wiped them off the planet, which she did. I'm not seeing a single pocket of Kett to be pointless boasting and lie. I also thought she was moving troops when we first met because she thought the Kett were being far too quiet. I don't remember her ever telling me that the Kett were completely defeated anywhere - but I do remember us both being snarky about clearing out the cave, me calling her on it and her being straight about how she was going to present it (or not).
