Liam..
The poor guy, so many seem to not like him. So what I want to know is who out there does like him and what you like about him.. Haters can stay away please! Just Liam positive here. One thread in wh...
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@Nykara360 wrote:The poor guy, so many seem to not like him. So what I want to know is who out there does like him and what you like about him..
Haters can stay away please! Just Liam positive here. One thread in which he doesn't end up bashed in.. you can give us that.
The first thing I thought was sweet, was Liam sleeping on the floor in SAM node right at the begining when he barely even knew Ryder. A sign of someone who cares about others no matter what.
I like him, he's just useless.
People hate the almost childish way that he is written, which I like. The "I shot him in the face" etc.. I think that's hilarious and trading insults with jaal. And his backstory.
But as an Aid in Combat.. he just dies all the time.
@rugster wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:The poor guy, so many seem to not like him. So what I want to know is who out there does like him and what you like about him..
Haters can stay away please! Just Liam positive here. One thread in which he doesn't end up bashed in.. you can give us that.
The first thing I thought was sweet, was Liam sleeping on the floor in SAM node right at the begining when he barely even knew Ryder. A sign of someone who cares about others no matter what.
I like him, he's just useless.
People hate the almost childish way that he is written, which I like. The "I shot him in the face" etc.. I think that's hilarious and trading insults with jaal. And his backstory.
But as an Aid in Combat.. he just dies all the time.
I do get people not liking some of the writing, although to be honest there is usually at least one or two lines from every character (original trilogy and MEA) that just makes me.. cringe. Thats also true of conversations with people IRL too though, we don't have writers who can go back and change our words for us because we said something dumb, we gotta own it! 😃😃 Maybe its that kind of realism that I like, not everyone enjoys that in stories of any kind. The same as not everyone enjoying comedies or dramas or whatever 🙂. Everyone I know has a flaw that.. bugs me.. that I look past in favor of friendship / relstionships or whatever. Some perfer to escape those flaws in stories though where as I prefer them to exist. Like.. I like Jaal he is sweet but he almost seems too perfect, so not really to my taste for an IG romance.
That and he has a body that makes you scream when he's naked..
I think alot of the hate generated in games is pseudo hate, it's pass along hate.. some video wiz says he hates this aspect of this character and everyone jumps on that bandwagon and claims the same thing.
Yeh when Liam says his memorable line, it made me burst out laughing and surely that's the aim of that line. So how can anyone hate it? Doesn't make sence. Unless they're hating it, because someone else hates it, just because.
There's actually alot of the stories that make me tearful or laugh, some really strikes a nerve, other's like alot of what Draak talks about, with parenthood etc I can draw from and identify with.
@rugster wrote:Yeh when Liam says his memorable line, it made me burst out laughing and surely that's the aim of that line. So how can anyone hate it? Doesn't make sence.
??What memorable line??? I honestly don't remember any real good laughing lines from him. Drack, Vetra and even Cora I could fairly easily relate too and understand their character.....Liam, sorry can't. The thing about Liam that really irks me is he was in crisis response, that is the one place that cool heads and solid rational decisions HAVE to be made 100% of the time or people die. Yet time and time again, Liam doesn't live up to his backstory, he is emotional in decision making, he isn't to my mind rational in those decisions and not very cool or collected under stress. To me his backstory doesn't fit him AT ALL, and that annoys the dog poo out of me when it comes to characters. The other thing that really irks me about his character is after every bad decision, Ryder basically goes....UHH, ok, whatever...you can't really tell him off, you can't correct him for going AROUND YOU...not so much around higher ups, but AROUND YOU!!! He is pulling BS behind YOUR back and then you have to deal with the fallout or * from it, and you can't do a dang thing about it to him.
Things I like about him.....
1) He doesn't shoot me in the back during a mission......
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When I find more I will post them.....😎
I think what a lot fail to realize is the fact that the Pathfinder team arent actually under the Pathfinders orders per say. Its not an alliance military team its a civilian one. They are expected to assist the Pathfinder when asked but outside of that, they have their own asigned tasks to perform without having to run and ask permission to do it. They are supposed to just do it and then request back-up from the other team members when its needed.
Its a big difference to an alliance military ship and crew like the Normandy was. Even a big difference to the SR2 when all crew where specifically told to follow Shepards orders.
Each member of the Pathfinding team had a set job already assigned to them to just do when not required by the Pathfinder his/herself and there is the difference. Sara didn't have to contact her Dad to ask permission to scout once they landed on the planet she was just expected to do her job.
Believe it or not, Liam was just doing his job, forging relationships with species and between colonies and used his own judgment on how best to achieve that. He also wasn't wrong, his instincts about those people were correct. The pirates timing was just bad luck, one didn't have anything to do with the other he just thought it was possible, so went to his team for backup feeling it was needed at that point in time. In doing so he further cemented those alliances as well.
@Nykara360 wrote:I do get people not liking some of the writing, although to be honest there is usually at least one or two lines from every character (original trilogy and MEA) that just makes me.. cringe. Thats also true of conversations with people IRL too though, we don't have writers who can go back and change our words for us because we said something dumb, we gotta own it! 😃😃 Maybe its that kind of realism that I like, not everyone enjoys that in stories of any kind. The same as not everyone enjoying comedies or dramas or whatever 🙂. Everyone I know has a flaw that.. bugs me.. that I look past in favor of friendship / relstionships or whatever. Some perfer to escape those flaws in stories though where as I prefer them to exist. Like.. I like Jaal he is sweet but he almost seems too perfect, so not really to my taste for an IG romance.
Side topic this has nothing to do with Liam. just a general comment on what you mentioned.
Whilst I do agree that not every one likes a comedy or a drama. It's still the quality of the show that counts. Eg I personally prefer action flicks, braveheart, lord of the rings type movies. I dont really like the really serious movies, but when I watched shawshank redemption and schindler list, they were extremely well made movies and I loved them. They may not rate as high as a lord of the rings movie on my scale of movies that I like, but I do respect the art and quality of the movie. Linking this back to ME/MEA, it's not a matter of whether or not the character's more for me or not, if its a personification of a character that's my polar opposite and I dislike everything about this character and what this character stands for, but the quality of scripts are well written and voice acting is great(eg illusive man) then it will be a great character! Consistency is also another item, whilst no script is perfect and you can also find one of 2 things about the original trilogy that may make you cringe, it is not consistently bad. Let's just say if I have a cringe counter, I have cringed a lot more recently than I did when I played the trilogy.liam is such an awesome character the only thing that could have made him even better if ...[CM Edit: This is a Liam-Hate Free Zone! Bash him elsewhere.🙂]
@VladVonCastein wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:Side topic this has nothing to do with Liam. just a general comment on what you mentioned.
Whilst I do agree that not every one likes a comedy or a drama. It's still the quality of the show that counts. Eg I personally prefer action flicks, braveheart, lord of the rings type movies. I dont really like the really serious movies, but when I watched shawshank redemption and schindler list, they were extremely well made movies and I loved them. They may not rate as high as a lord of the rings movie on my scale of movies that I like, but I do respect the art and quality of the movie. Linking this back to ME/MEA, it's not a matter of whether or not the character's more for me or not, if its a personification of a character that's my polar opposite and I dislike everything about this character and what this character stands for, but the quality of scripts are well written and voice acting is great(eg illusive man) then it will be a great character! Consistency is also another item, whilst no script is perfect and you can also find one of 2 things about the original trilogy that may make you cringe, it is not consistently bad. Let's just say if I have a cringe counter, I have cringed a lot more recently than I did when I played the trilogy.Same here as well. Good voice acting, inflections, character attitude, personality, body language and gestures are key features to successfully project story onto the listener. If those are weak, then they didn't hooked the public into the character's story, no matter how good the story is. A good actor can describe even the simplest photograph with such expression that people could be easily captivated by it. (and btw, lotr is one of my favs as well)
