Liam..
The poor guy, so many seem to not like him. So what I want to know is who out there does like him and what you like about him.. Haters can stay away please! Just Liam positive here. One thread in wh...
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I think what a lot fail to realize is the fact that the Pathfinder team arent actually under the Pathfinders orders per say. Its not an alliance military team its a civilian one. They are expected to assist the Pathfinder when asked but outside of that, they have their own asigned tasks to perform without having to run and ask permission to do it. They are supposed to just do it and then request back-up from the other team members when its needed.
Its a big difference to an alliance military ship and crew like the Normandy was. Even a big difference to the SR2 when all crew where specifically told to follow Shepards orders.
Each member of the Pathfinding team had a set job already assigned to them to just do when not required by the Pathfinder his/herself and there is the difference. Sara didn't have to contact her Dad to ask permission to scout once they landed on the planet she was just expected to do her job.
Believe it or not, Liam was just doing his job, forging relationships with species and between colonies and used his own judgment on how best to achieve that. He also wasn't wrong, his instincts about those people were correct. The pirates timing was just bad luck, one didn't have anything to do with the other he just thought it was possible, so went to his team for backup feeling it was needed at that point in time. In doing so he further cemented those alliances as well.
@Nykara360 wrote:I think what a lot fail to realize is the fact that the Pathfinder team arent actually under the Pathfinders orders per say. Its not an alliance military team its a civilian one.
I'm pretty sure just like real life, this isn't valid. A captain of a ship is still the captain, and they give the orders - just because civvy's volunteered doesn't change that - even on luxury cruises irl, if the Captain wants everybody in their cabins... well guess what... you're going to the cabin or you're getting arrested. If you go on fishing boat, guess who's in charge? Certainly not you because you're not military.
I did service for 2 years in my nation's navy, and we had civilians aboard one of our battleships for a tour and it was made very clear they were to obey the Captain, and were given rules like not to photograph our tech.
Sorry to take your thread off topic again, I just thought that was a false statement to justify Liam going over pathfinder's head when he should have never done so... and don't even get me started on his savage behavior on Habitat 7 - even if we saved people in the end - his actions put people in danger or were poor representations of humanity as a whole. Anyway, I'm not trying to bash - just sorting out an inconsistency with what you believe and what would be reality.
Well, the Tempest is not a military ship as far as I know. The lack of weaponry has been a point discussion here as well before.
However, even on civilian ships the captain has authority and from a team point of view Ryder is in charge no matter how you twist or turn it. So for him to go off and do something like he did, was not ok.
To each their own though. I think Cora annoys me more than any of the companions, but the main difference is that there is at least an emotion that's triggered. Liam's about as non-offensive as it gets, except that he doesn't like clothes that much and he gets himself in trouble because he bites off more than he can chew. I say that as an observation rather than a judgment and since it doesn't get the main mission in trouble it's of no consequence for me as I can just leave him on the ship except for his companion mission.
So if people like him that's cool, but I suppose I just don't really get what his redeeming qualities are.
@lagruej wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:I think what a lot fail to realize is the fact that the Pathfinder team arent actually under the Pathfinders orders per say. Its not an alliance military team its a civilian one.
I'm pretty sure just like real life, this isn't valid. A captain of a ship is still the captain, and they give the orders - just because civvy's volunteered doesn't change that - even on luxury cruises irl, if the Captain wants everybody in their cabins... well guess what... you're going to the cabin or you're getting arrested. If you go on fishing boat, guess who's in charge? Certainly not you because you're not military.
I did service for 2 years in my nation's navy, and we had civilians aboard one of our battleships for a tour and it was made very clear they were to obey the Captain, and were given rules like not to photograph our tech.
Sorry to take your thread off topic again, I just thought that was a false statement to justify Liam going over pathfinder's head when he should have never done so... and don't even get me started on his savage behavior on Habitat 7 - even if we saved people in the end - his actions put people in danger or were poor representations of humanity as a whole. Anyway, I'm not trying to bash - just sorting out an inconsistency with what you believe and what would be reality.
The Civilians on said ships are still allowed to do their own thing in off-duty times and don't have to run to the captain constantly for every little thing. They get up in the morning and go do their jobs, the only time they bother the Captain is if there is a problem with said job that they are unable to resolve on their own.As for Liam's job, pulling people together to look out for each other for safety purposes is part of that. Just like its easier to keep a neighbourhood safe if there is a safety watch group. He may have been stepping beyond what was required of his day to day duties but, thats not a bad thing. Going above and beyond in any job is actually a good thing.
