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Yes, it's an oversight when you look at it this way. But there is really no good way around it when you want to insert a whole new big thing into an established story.
It happens in fiction, e.g. even Star Wars is full of plot holes and continuity issues - this was true even when there were only the two sets of trilogies. (Obi-Wan not recognising R2, Leia remembering Padmé etc etc.) Now with all the side stuff they have produced, they have undermined the core of Star Wars, with Luke and Leia being the final hope of the jedi
And you don't even have to go to Andromeda, ME itself is really silly from the get-go if you think about it. The whole "uncovering Saren's betrayal" is just so full of rookie writing mistakes - the Council has no idea where their operative was at the time (and they give the victim's files to the prime suspect, lol); they are completely dismissing the testimony of an eye witness "because he was shocked"; no forensic method is applied to find out what type of gun killed Nihlus & whose gun it was; armed assassins attack Shepard on the Citadel (who is also armed while being a simple Alliance soldier at the time) and nobody thinks about following up on that; an audio recording that was obtained by a really questionable method is instantly accepted as damning evidence (how easy would it be to manipulate that?!) and also conveniently serves as an introduction to Benezia, whose line conveniently serves as an introduction to the Reapers - and of course the councilor instantly recognises the voice. I won't continue, you get the idea - ME is a great story because of its overall feel and likable characters, not because of its great writing.
Nothing good comes when you wind yourself up on these things and dissect them.
I don't see why would you start on this topic five years after Andromeda, nor do I understand why others try so hard to defend a really obvious issue.
- holger14054 years agoHero+
@felker_s wrote:
I don't see why would you start on this topic five years after Andromeda, nor do I understand why others try so hard to defend a really obvious issue.
What issue? The issue OP tries to make up or the issue that there are plot holes in the original trilogy?
Because one has nothing to do with the other.
What OP asks from Bioware is to think about a game they had no idea if they would ever make, 10 years before they made it.
That is just ridicules.
Bioware had enough on their plate thinking the trilogy though. What they did there in terms of decisions, influencing the other games is amazing by itself, to say they had to think even further ahead would simply make any creative process impossible to handle.
- 4 years ago
No, I am talking about the ridiculous excuses y'all are trying to make about Shepard's knowledge of the Initiative and the arks.
It is a plot hole resulting from the decision to put the Initiative's ark kickoff into Shepard's timeline. It happens, move on.
- holger14054 years agoHero+
They could not have set it after the trilogy and set it before would have make it a prequel, also a no go.
Setting it in this timeline was the only thing Bioware really could do.
It is like it is, move on. 🤡
- draconiam4 years agoSeasoned Ace@felker_s Now that you mention that bit about Saren I suspect the Council already knew somethings and was just biding it's time investigating all aspects of the things Saren was doing. When Shepard came into scene and Saren attacked Eden Prime they saw eventually that they were better off taking out a lose end and use other means to keep investigating the Reapers, we know the Asari must've known about them and wanted to determine if they could be an asset (we know they love to take their sweet time with everything) to further keep their power.
I decided to start talking about Andromeda because the next game might as well deal with it and that I am replaying ME:A (the next game teaser had an audio log about Ark 6 departing and Bioware confirmed that was intentional) and listening to the characters and reading the Codex entries in the game made me put a break into the series as I started a recollection trip after beating the LE so many times (not to mention the times I beat the Original releases) that it seemed silly how the whole Andromeda Initiative managed to exist and not exist at the same time Shepard was working. By Andromeda own canon it seems Liara knew Ryder before she knew Shepard and the fallout of that N7 operative happened pretty close to ME1 start (it is a wonder how Bioware potentially had up to 3 N7 operatives that were well known in the universe setting and no one batted an eye to Ryder issues then again, Kai Leng was also later established to be a big disgrace to the N7 program and Shepard never hears about that until ME3 so something is really wrong with Shepard brain).
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