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mckrackin5324
9 years ago
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Never been this angry at a game...

Never in my life have I come so close to losing my cool completely over a game. Never.

I'd written this game off a long time ago. Just too clunky compared to newer titles.

I decided...what the heck. I'll redownload it and play it one more time because I've never been able to get the Geth and Quarian fleet together because I always keep Tali happy by not exposing her father's crimes.

The whole point of this game was to keep Tali from being exiled...which means exposing her father...which means losing her loyalty.

OK...fine. Let her be mad at me if I can get my big fleet later in ME3.

Well...guess who died on the Suicide Mission...yep. Tali is dead and 18 hours of my life is wasted and gone forever.

Godammit anyway game. WTF?

Oh yeah...Legion is dead too but that doesn't really matter in the long run but seriously...uuuhhhgggg!!!

This is a rant and a plea for help...after losing Tali's loyalty...what do I do to keep her alive?

  • Fred_vdp's avatar
    Fred_vdp
    9 years ago
    @mckrackin5324 wrote:
    The whole point of this game was to keep Tali from being exiled...which means exposing her father...which means losing her loyalty.

    That's inaccurate. You can keep Tali from being exiled without exposing her father. Here are two ways to do that:

    • You need a high enough paragon or renegade score to convince the admirals that there's not enough evidence to convict Tali.
    • OR; Make sure you don't send Veetor to Cerberus and be sure to keep Kal'Reegar alive in Tali's recruitment mission. If you rally the crowd during the trial, they'll come to Tali's aid.

    If you don't want to go this far back, then it's stil perfectly possible to get a disloyal Tali out of the suicide mission alive.

    In the phase where you fight the boss, the characters staying behind have to add up to an adequate defensive score. Otherwise, characters start dying, with disloyal characters being prioritized.

    An example of a perfect suicide mission run in your case (assuming only Tali is disloyal):

    • Fire team leader: Garrus, Miranda or Jacob
    • Tech expert: If you have the DLC, pick Kasumi. Tali and Legion are ineligible in your playthrough since they are not loyal.
    • Crew escort: Someone with a low defensive score, like Mordin, Jack or Kasumi
    • Biotic expert: Samara / Morinth, or Jack
    • Final boss squad: Two loyal characters with a low defensive score, like Mordin, Jack and Kasumi

    There's a flow chart that could help here: http://i.imgur.com/n4QCEnA.jpg

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  • Fred_vdp's avatar
    Fred_vdp
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    9 years ago
    @mckrackin5324 wrote:
    The whole point of this game was to keep Tali from being exiled...which means exposing her father...which means losing her loyalty.

    That's inaccurate. You can keep Tali from being exiled without exposing her father. Here are two ways to do that:

    • You need a high enough paragon or renegade score to convince the admirals that there's not enough evidence to convict Tali.
    • OR; Make sure you don't send Veetor to Cerberus and be sure to keep Kal'Reegar alive in Tali's recruitment mission. If you rally the crowd during the trial, they'll come to Tali's aid.

    If you don't want to go this far back, then it's stil perfectly possible to get a disloyal Tali out of the suicide mission alive.

    In the phase where you fight the boss, the characters staying behind have to add up to an adequate defensive score. Otherwise, characters start dying, with disloyal characters being prioritized.

    An example of a perfect suicide mission run in your case (assuming only Tali is disloyal):

    • Fire team leader: Garrus, Miranda or Jacob
    • Tech expert: If you have the DLC, pick Kasumi. Tali and Legion are ineligible in your playthrough since they are not loyal.
    • Crew escort: Someone with a low defensive score, like Mordin, Jack or Kasumi
    • Biotic expert: Samara / Morinth, or Jack
    • Final boss squad: Two loyal characters with a low defensive score, like Mordin, Jack and Kasumi

    There's a flow chart that could help here: http://i.imgur.com/n4QCEnA.jpg

  • mckrackin5324's avatar
    mckrackin5324
    9 years ago

    That's what confuses me.

    Samara was the escort and loyal.

    Miranda was the second team leader and romanced.

    Morden was the tech expert and loyal(died closing the door).

    Legion and Grunt were not loyal because I skipped their missions. Because I don't care if they are in ME3 or not.

    So I took these two and Jack with me in the bubble run. Legion died at the final cut scene.

    Weird game and an infuriating ending. lol

    EDIT...I haven't played Mass Effect 1 because no controller support.

  • Fred_vdp's avatar
    Fred_vdp
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    9 years ago
    @mckrackin5324 wrote:

    Legion and Grunt were not loyal because I skipped their missions. Because I don't care if they are in ME3 or not.

    But didn't you say you want both quarian and geth support in ME3? Legion needs to be alive for that.

    @mckrackin5324 wrote:

    Morden was the tech expert and loyal(died closing the door).

    I forgot to mention this part. I'll update my last post.

    Anyway, you can always just edit your savefile if you don't mind a little cheating. Best to import the game into ME3, then use the ME3 save editor: http://svn.gib.me/builds/masseffect3/

  • mckrackin5324's avatar
    mckrackin5324
    9 years ago

    Legion can die.

    The new and improved Legion still allows you to get both fleets....pretty sure.

    I seriously hate this clunky old game but I might load an older save and try the ending again.

    I'm fighting with ME1 right now.

    I have the controller working...all except Interact.

    I might just map ENTER to my mouse and keep it beside me for playing but that gets confusing sometimes....m/kb OR controller. Not m/kb AND controller. lol...

  • mckrackin5324's avatar
    mckrackin5324
    9 years ago

    I used your chart and FINALLY got the whole team out alive.

    My entire crew died though...except the Doctor. Oh well.

    I kept the base so Jack is pissed at me. Tali is too but she's alive. lol....

    I played the Suicide Mission three times to finally get the right people in the right spots to survive.

    I finally took my two weakest loyal members with me and left my strongest behind with Tali. It worked!

  • holger1405's avatar
    holger1405
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    9 years ago

    @mckrackin5324

    Good to hear, but that Tali was not loyal was the problem in the first place. 

    Exposing her Father is that one thing she precisely told you not to do, but you did it anyway, and that's not a good idea if it comes to women.  😉

  • mckrackin5324's avatar
    mckrackin5324
    9 years ago
    @holger1405 wrote:

    @mckrackin5324

    Good to hear, but that Tali was not loyal was the problem in the first place. 

    Exposing her Father is that one thing she precisely told you not to do, but you did it anyway, and that's not a good idea if it comes to women.  😉

    Lol...right?

    Thing is...she can't be exiled in my next ME3 game for it to work my way. 

  • holger1405's avatar
    holger1405
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    9 years ago

    @mckrackin5324

    You mean because of the fleet?

    Actually she can be exiled and you still can make peace if:

    ME2

    You destroyed the heretics.

    You resolve the Tali vs Legon conflict with a renegade or paragon solution.

    ME3

    You destroy the Geth Squadron on Rannoch.

    You save Admiral Koris on Rannoch.

  • holger1405's avatar
    holger1405
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    9 years ago

    @mckrackin5324

    Well, then it was important that you prevented her from being exiled.

    You still need to accomplish all the other things I mentioned and you also need to do Legions mission in ME3.

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