New patch?

@felker_s 

I might ending up defending the MELE here after all, despite the fact that I see problems with it as well.  😉

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felker_s wrote:

But since you mentioned you've been here for eight years - I'd also like to point out that MELE's state is not BioWare's only misstep.

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What state?
That this games are in some kind of "bad state" is a purely subjective opinion and an opinion that is obviously not shared by the majority of the fan base.
For me they are rock stable. I did not encounter any serious bug or glitch apart from the FPS inconsistency in ME1. And even that wasn't a real problem because I did not get shuttering because if it.
So as said, I think they could have and should have done more, but I disagree with the notion that the MELE is in some kind of bad state overall.

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felker_s wrote:

Yes, I even think that ME3 had elements that really did not fit the trilogy - for example, heavily relying on B-movie tropes, like Kai Leng's every stupid scene (how insultingly moronic Thane is in his scene against him, or how annoyingly useless Shepard is in every cutscene featuring him... and just what an utterly boring villain he is!), or the forced tension between the Virmire survivor and Shepard that magically ceases to exist once aboard the Normandy etc... Or you know, throwing in some randomass kid to personalise Shepard's PTSD? Nobody cares, the player has no connection to him, nor does Shepard. It's some forced BS, and it's neglecting Shepard's actual personal losses. And these are actual problems with story and character writing, which they are supposed to be known for.

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This is, again, purely subjective criticism. 
You have every right to see it that way of course, but it is a matter of opinion, not some kind of fact that makes the game or the story bad by definition. 

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felker_s wrote:

Their latest major games were failures, and toxicity aside, deservedly so. They are games that you can "have some fun with" at their best, and extremely boring at their worst.

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I agree in regards to Anthem.
Not that they couldn't have made it something good. The combat was extremely good imho and there were more things that were very solid.
But that ship has sailed.

But I disagree about Andromeda.
Imho Andromeda is a good game that was killed by a typical internet shitstorm, something it didn't deserve.

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felker_s wrote:

And now that they had a second chance to polish these out, what did they do? Slightly pumped up the textures. The inexpertise is not the worst part in itself (though I'd say they desperately need to hire new talent), but the clear signs of "yea we did not even try" are not acceptable.

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They did way more than just "Slightly pumped up the textures", it is easy to overlook that if you focus on the problems, but it is nevertheless true. 

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@holger1405 wrote:

@felker_s 

I might ending up defending the MELE here after all, despite the fact that I see problems with it as well.  😉

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felker_s wrote:

But since you mentioned you've been here for eight years - I'd also like to point out that MELE's state is not BioWare's only misstep.

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What state?
That this games are in some kind of "bad state" is a purely subjective opinion and an opinion that is obviously not shared by the majority of the fan base.
For me they are rock stable. I did not encounter any serious bug or glitch apart from the FPS inconsistency in ME1. And even that wasn't a real problem because I did not get shuttering because if it.
So as said, I think they could have and should have done more, but I disagree with the notion that the MELE is in some kind of bad state overall.

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felker_s wrote:

Yes, I even think that ME3 had elements that really did not fit the trilogy - for example, heavily relying on B-movie tropes, like Kai Leng's every stupid scene (how insultingly moronic Thane is in his scene against him, or how annoyingly useless Shepard is in every cutscene featuring him... and just what an utterly boring villain he is!), or the forced tension between the Virmire survivor and Shepard that magically ceases to exist once aboard the Normandy etc... Or you know, throwing in some randomass kid to personalise Shepard's PTSD? Nobody cares, the player has no connection to him, nor does Shepard. It's some forced BS, and it's neglecting Shepard's actual personal losses. And these are actual problems with story and character writing, which they are supposed to be known for.

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This is, again, purely subjective criticism. 
You have every right to see it that way of course, but it is a matter of opinion, not some kind of fact that makes the game or the story bad by definition. 

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felker_s wrote:

Their latest major games were failures, and toxicity aside, deservedly so. They are games that you can "have some fun with" at their best, and extremely boring at their worst.

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I agree in regards to Anthem.
Not that they couldn't have made it something good. The combat was extremely good imho and there were more things that were very solid.
But that ship has sailed.

But I disagree about Andromeda.
Imho Andromeda is a good game that was killed by a typical internet shitstorm, something it didn't deserve.

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felker_s wrote:

And now that they had a second chance to polish these out, what did they do? Slightly pumped up the textures. The inexpertise is not the worst part in itself (though I'd say they desperately need to hire new talent), but the clear signs of "yea we did not even try" are not acceptable.

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They did way more than just "Slightly pumped up the textures", it is easy to overlook that if you focus on the problems, but it is nevertheless true. 

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So I know I have been overly harsh on ME3 LE and for good reason in my case. I'm a main infiltrator on PC with a keyboard and mouse and it is completely broken at the moment (it's a truly disheartening bug to me). However, past that I'm very happy with how the rest of the games played minus a few bugs here and there. However out of small protest, I have uninstalled LE and will continue playing the original trilogy until it is fixed (god willing they actually patch it, we'll see as I don't see anything that tells me they will). So overall to me it is in an ok state and with certain PC users it's more in a poor-ok state (with pc it depends on a lot of factors).

But that is as far as my criticism goes for The OG Trilogy. I love everything about it and want to keep playing the hell out of it (hopefully the LE edition soon). 

You can count me in the field of people who liked Andromeda. I haven't played it in years though, mostly due to the fact that it got abandoned, but that doesn't deter from the fact that I liked it and really had hoped for DLC.

Below is about 75% of my total ME Collection and I still display my Andromeda Posters haha (Vetra is Number 2 which I was really excited about because she's my favorite haha), I just want infiltrator to work correctly and damn it sucks not to be able to play ME3 LE the way I have always played ME3 because of bugs.

Edited out the Galaxy map issue with a mouse because I just saw there was a mod that fixed that. So that's awesome!

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@holger1405 wrote:

What state?
That this games are in some kind of "bad state" is a purely subjective opinion and an opinion that is obviously not shared by the majority of the fan base.
For me they are rock stable. I did not encounter any serious bug or glitch apart from the FPS inconsistency in ME1. And even that wasn't a real problem because I did not get shuttering because if it.
So as said, I think they could have and should have done more, but I disagree with the notion that the MELE is in some kind of bad state overall.

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I think you are right about the community can be way too harsh, but I disagree with LE's state. I just leave a few things here:

• [ME2 & ME3] Enemies knocked down by Biotic or Ammo powers don't get up. (My best example video about the topic)
• ME1 LE: Converting to Omni-gel takes away controls, game restart needed - Answer HQ (ea.com)
• (ME3:LE) The destruction of the Quarian Fleet cutscene is broken - Answer HQ (ea.com)
• Visual glitch: buggy Reapers in the background on Menae - Answer HQ (A good example video about the problem by sweetpoison0011)
• Black bubble glitch under the Human Reaper (ME2:LE) - Answer HQ (two more image about why this cause an ugly cutscene problem: here and here)
• (Bug) Mass Effect 3 LE, Xbox: When speaking, Shepard's Helmet moves as his Jaw - Answer HQ (An example video about the problem)
• [BUG] Hand placement for every call animation is incorrect - Answer HQ (ea.com)
• Re: The asari group which discovered Citadel are wearing Blue Suns armor - Answer HQ

And the list goes on. These are not subjective problems, these are gameplay breaking or ugly, cutscene damaging visual bugs. I know, these are not major game breaking bugs, but that's really an excuse for it? These are bad, immersion breaking bugs, and I think LE (not ME1:LE, that remastered is a really, really great work with much given care) is in a bad state, because the original games cinematic nature, artistic effort and gameplay been damaged by these bugs.

The cinematic nature with great art and the combat gameplay doesn't count for the fan base at all, only the characters/story and romances? Really? Then why they wanted a remastered edition with better visuals, if they do not care enough about the visuals? I really can't understand this community. This Sci-Fi universe (and its legacy) deserves more thant this, from the developers/publisher and the fans too.

And sorry, but I think Covid is not an excuse too. They sell a game in full price, so I think it's completely okay, if we want a very great quality remastered then. I know I'm a big fan who wants way too much and a way too perfect game, but I think ME2-3:LE is in some aspects are feels a less quality product, than the original ME2-3.

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@Ri-Go_HUN7 wrote:

I think you are right about the community can be way too harsh, but I disagree with LE's state.

It is no problem if we disagree here, and I see where you coming from.

As said, it is good to report such problems, and I hope Bioware puts a new patch out.

For supposedly being a remaster LE broke more things than it has fixed. The sheer amount of glitches, bugs and questionable decisions may not be "serious", but it really does hurt the experience. Shepards hair is glitched in a way that wasn't the case in Legacy. On the shipwreck during Leviathan DLC the hair switches from a black blobb to the real hair all the time. The performance on the Citadel in Mass Effect 3 is atrocious, esp. after the cerberus coup. Several audio triggers are broken, resulting in replaying some dialogue if you go back and forth (i.e. inside the geth ship). Several animations during dialogue are broken. The absurd pricing of Mass Effect 3 Spectre terminal weapons, as if they were throwing darts at random numbers while being blindfolded. The mech during the ME2 sidequest in the canyon that is aiming at an invisible enemy. The broken lightning during the final dialogue with TIM in Mass Effect 2. The enemies not getting up after being hit with powers in 3, leaving them grunting on the ground or in unreachable areas, sometimes forcing to reload a safe. Broken horizon on Menae, covering the reapers legs and the destruction of the turian ship. Kelly Chambers hair colour (not to mention her actual haircut), or the Audio in Mass Effect 1 ... and so on and so forth.

All of the above mentioned are new issues, not counting old issues from legacy. We have paid the release date price, even veterens of the original triology, and yet some people are defending a multi billion company. Funny. But I guess it's not a serious bug until your console/pc explodes in your face and causes a power blackout for your entire city, eh? 😉

P.S.: And no, that doesn't justify any insults/rude behaviour towards EA or Bioware.

@Schachmatt123I'm sure BioWare wanted to make a really great edition, aside from some questionable decisions, they worked hard on ME1, we got some great new things too. But, ME2-3 is more than a little rough around the edges. I think they don't had enough resources for the sequels, but the publisher sold this product anyway... it's profit.

I hope in more support, but that's not EA's style (aside from a few exceptions), and when the game is launched, everyone is loved the new and shiny ME1, and in the first weeks critics and fans praised based on the first game's remastered. By the time the mistakes were revealed, the support has stoped, the review scores are revealed and millions of copies was sold... so, I don't think they will listen to hardcore fans, like us. They have already made their money. I'm not too negative, this is just how a big company works most of the time.

I learned a lot about LE. I never want to see a remastered edition again. Xbox backward compatibility program is a much viable way to preserve classic games without the risk of damaging them, I think. But, I can't buy DLC-s for the OG ME2's Xbox 360 version, because of a region lock (Welcome from Hungary! 😕) so... thanks EA! ☹️

@Schachmatt123 

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Schachmatt123 wrote:

All of the above mentioned are new issues, not counting old issues from legacy. We have paid the release date price, even veterens of the original triology, and yet some people are defending a multi billion company. Funny. But I guess it's not a serious bug until your console/pc explodes in your face and causes a power blackout for your entire city, eh? 😉

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No, but there is a difference about a serious bug that is not fixed and stuff that is superficial, or just a matter of taste and opinion, like Kelly's hair or the pricing of the Spectre terminal weapons. 😉 

And there is a difference in experience. 
I did not experience any performance problems on the Citadel in Mass Effect 3, not any glitch with Shepard's hair nor any problems with animations during dialogue.

So there is that.

I also would like to point out that this games would not exist without this "multi billion company".
I know pointing out that EA is a "multi billion company" is a nice justification for focusing on the problems only, and to ridicule the people that have a other opinion than you. 😉 

But in the end it just don't works this way.
Bioware is at best a multi million company and they have to make revenue to survive, that is just how it is.

So if you take what I have said in this thread as "defending a multi-billion dollar company" then so be it, I stand by every point I have made.