Really Bioware? Stealth patching?
Probably the lowest thing I've seen from the studio ever - to patch a known exploit and not even detail it in the patch notes - really hoped you could slide it under the rug huh? In case anybody i...
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@lagruej wrote:
Probably the lowest thing I've seen from the studio ever - to patch a known exploit and not even detail it in the patch notes - really hoped you could slide it under the rug huh?
In case anybody is wondering what I'm on about - it's the research glitch we had for Strike Teams, to make every reward convert into research points. Now they've taken that away from us - but on the other hand have done nothing to improve research acquisition rates.
I've been posting about this since the end of my 4th playthrough. There is NOT enough damn research points in this game. I shouldn't have to play a game 15 times to be able to craft whatever I want, especially since 99.99% of the time, it's theory crafting and I don't even plan to use the weapon.
All you've done is take something away, something we were using to alleviate a problem - but you did nothing to help us with that problem, basically you have kicked us in the nuts.
This glitch was the one single reason I still had the Apex app on my phone, and why I would go on Andromeda every day to research some stuff. Now I'm going to delete the all but worthless app, and I'm going to stop logging in every day to check on my stuff. Basically this game just entered full stagnation for me, I have literally no reason to turn this game on. I've beaten it 4 times and all you've left me with is a pointless and near endless grind for Research data. Consider the game uninstalled until such a time you increase the rate we get the research points at.
And for shame Bioware really? Not to even mention in the patch notes that you fixed a bug or exploit? Instead you stealth deployed it. That's just an A-hole thing to do.
Dude, it was a glitch.....glitches are *unintended bugs* so they fixed it....you were not meant to have it in the first place, not that it really affected anyone else, considering it being a single Player game, but i would have preferred that they fix glitched quests and added some bloody rough location points for those quests that have none at all.
Why would you even bother researching things you dont intend to use anyhow.
Ive had more than enough research points each game to create what I needed.
@Nykara360 wrote:
Why would you even bother researching things you dont intend to use anyhow.
Ive had more than enough research points each game to create what I needed.
The only real way to gauge rather or not you're going to use something is to try it first.
That involves researching it, building it, and then trying it out. I have had a similar experience as the OP, I found it hard initially to try different things because I simply couldn't afford the research points to learn how to build it. It was really only an issue early on though, as I got up in level I found it easier to experiment.
For most of the time I was leveling up, the only way I could try a specific weapon was to hope I find one as a drop or buy one from a vendor. The research points were just too big of a gamble since I had no way to know if I was going to like the item or not. I could break it down and recover components, but the research points are gone for good and I needed those to upgrade my armor when I hit the level for the next tier.
What I finally ended up doing was making a save game first and if I didn't like the weapon then I reloaded my save. It works, but I'm sure it's not how the system was designed to function. My personal proposal to fix it is to cut the research cost of all weapons and armor in half for marks I-V. The cost should start to kick in once you hit the 'advanced' tier (Tier VI +.) By that time, you're far enough in the game and have had more then enough opportunity to decide what you wish to develop.
I prefer to see the system encourage experimentation at lower levels.
@Nykara360 wrote:
Why would you even bother researching things you dont intend to use anyhow.
Ive had more than enough research points each game to create what I needed.
Why do I want to try new things? Maybe because using the PAW every playthrough is boring and gets old.
I'd like to be able to try out all the weapons the game has to offer without grinding 100s of hours.
@JamieK81 wrote:
Dude, it was a glitch.....glitches are *unintended bugs* so they fixed it....you were not meant to have it in the first place, not that it really affected anyone else, considering it being a single Player game, but i would have preferred that they fix glitched quests and added some bloody rough location points for those quests that have none at all.
Again, not the point. I understand it was a glitch - but it was a glitch that circumvented a problem in the game's design. I was only ever exploiting because of poor development. Now - if they actually fixed research - and gave a minimum of 3x more, then I wouldn't be cheating or incentivized to do so - that's the issue here, the incentive.
I'm not dense. I develop a game myself - and one thing I understand is this - player's abuse glitches most often because of a development flaw. And this case I was abusing a glitch to make up for the fact that there's nowhere near enough research data in the game.
Now the optimal solution on Bioware end should have been to also increase the rate Research is obtained. Instead they fixed the bug - which yes, is their job - but they completely ignored WHY players were using it in the first place. That is the crappiest thing a dev can do - if you can't recognize why your playerbase is choosing to use a glitch, then you're absolutely ignorant of the state of your game.
Instead they saw it how many in this thread do "just another bug." Imo the real "bug" is the fact you have to play the game 10 times to max your gear. That should have been the priority fix, but nah, let's stop exploits instead without fixing the real problem.
@MEGAF1UX wrote:
@lagruej it circumvented your laziness...
No, you're just a regular forum edgelord. I'm not lazy - I beat the game 4 damn times - FOUR TIMES. That's probably more than you have. I platinumed the game, got 100% viability AND 100% completion. I did everything this game has to offer - the only way I'd want to play again is if I could use different gear - and because of this poor design, I can't!
It's not that I'm lazy - it's NOT very entertaining to scan things for data all day. Do you honestly know what it feels like to think the only reason to turn it on is to scan stuff? Scanning was already one of the dumbest features they added and forced on the player - but now that's my endgame - that's what I get to look forward to, 6 more runs of scanning things. That's your reward for beating the game 4 times - more and more scans, just what everybody wanted.
Maybe if you had played the original trilogy you'd know why this is annoying. It's never taken 10 playthroughs before. Just to clarify...that's like 800 hours for guns that aren't even objectively better than others... it makes no sense. It's not laziness that I don't bend over and accept poor design choices.
