Are there a few Ladies playing Mass Effect Andromeda "out there"? Or a few guys who played a female Ryder and had a romance with her? No, not a les bian one ..... 😉
What do you thing about the romance options in MEA? What do you thing about the man involved (Liam, Jaal & Reyes)? What do you thing about the dialouge options?
What could Bioware do to make it better?
Thanks and Greetings 🐲
@Rappeldrache wrote:
Nykara360 wrote in an other thread:
"Well overall us straight gals are generally a little more polite and less raging. Also less vocal in general but maybe it's time we upped our game on that to be heard, I'd rather not though.
Just because we don't rage as much, or flip our lids, doesn't mean we feel any less cheated on the romance front.
I also totally agree - everyone has different character preference- make all the romances equal. Then everyone gets what they want and the char they want with a equally fullfilling romance."
Thats it, I think. When Girls / Ladies play the game and if there is something we don't like, we tend to do nothing. ☹️ We don't write angry letters to Bioware / EA, we don't go into a forum .... Bioware could have the impression there are no females playing this game. I have no other explanation why they gave us sutch horrible romance options, with sutch ugly humans / alien.
After DA:I there have been a lot of girls who wanted to start playing SF Bioware games like Mass Effect Andromeda. I don't understand why Bioware dit not take the chance?
(Sorry, I hate the romances in MEA: Horrible, ugly guys and short un-inspired romances. Just my personal opinion! I don't want to insult somebody.)
And have you seen what further plans they have for patches / DLC's? They want to make the Romances for the male Ryder (!!) better and give them more possibilitys. Just great! I fell so ... important .... Thanks Bioware.
The notes when I read them said the male romance options for male ryder was going to be looked at - trust me, they have it the worst, straight females come second on that front. Im glad they are looking at the m/m romances, someone needed to.
I also remain hopeful they will do the same for us.
If they look for the m/ m romance options, it's all right. Thanks - I dit not know they take care about the m/m romances.
To be a bi tch again 😉 : If I were a m/m I would really not look for a romance in this game. Gil? Seriously? 🤐
To be honest: I was a INCREDIBLE fan of Dorian in DA:I. He was my best friend, my best buddy in DA:I. NOT my love interest. I never, ever, ever wanted to use the mod to make him "straight".
I loved this character really a lot. What a personality .... how could somebody make sutch a "real and impressive and deep" charakter just in a computer game. Wow ... and now .. .the poor ones have ... Gil. What a comparison to Dorian .... I'm really sorry for our m/m game-buddys. Poor ones ... ☹️
Reyes isn't even a full romance. I'd rather have Evfra than Jaal. Liam is cool, but he's too bro for my liking. I tried to romance either Vetra or Jaal, but somehow got locked with Peebee, just because we had an intercourse, even without any love declaration. I wish Evfra was an option, even one flirt line. :/
Eerie-ish schrieb:
Reyes isn't even a full romance. I'd rather have Evfra than Jaal. Liam is cool, but he's too bro for my liking. I tried to romance either Vetra or Jaal, but somehow got locked with Peebee, just because we had an intercourse, even without any love declaration. I wish Evfra was an option, even one flirt line. :/
I had a ONS with Peebee in my first PT and then a full romance with Jaal. I really like his romance, but I can understand that his personality is not everyones taste.
Evfra would be really interesting! :D
In my second PT I chose Reyes...he is cool and the romance is interesting, but it kind of ends after his quest. There is a cute scene and 2 mails...thats it...and in my case 30 more hours to play without anything close to romantic stuff. No mail, no comments either...When I visited him he just said he is glad to see me. "Yeah, I've died while I was away, but nevermind, buddy!"
The romances really need more scenes or even mails or whatever...just more content to make it a real relationship with development and not just 3 dialogues and a kiss and thats it for a game with so much playtime
@JucieN7 wrote:
Eerie-ish schrieb:
Reyes isn't even a full romance. I'd rather have Evfra than Jaal. Liam is cool, but he's too bro for my liking. I tried to romance either Vetra or Jaal, but somehow got locked with Peebee, just because we had an intercourse, even without any love declaration. I wish Evfra was an option, even one flirt line. :/
I had a ONS with Peebee in my first PT and then a full romance with Jaal. I really like his romance, but I can understand that his personality is not everyones taste.
Evfra would be really interesting! :D
In my second PT I chose Reyes...he is cool and the romance is interesting, but it kind of ends after his quest. There is a cute scene and 2 mails...thats it...and in my case 30 more hours to play without anything close to romantic stuff. No mail, no comments either...When I visited him he just said he is glad to see me. "Yeah, I've died while I was away, but nevermind, buddy!"
The romances really need more scenes or even mails or whatever...just more content to make it a real relationship with development and not just 3 dialogues and a kiss and thats it for a game with so much playtime
The highlighted part is exactly what Liam's really didn’t feel like at all..
There was nothing that made it feel as if a romance/relationship was building between them. Barely even anything worth taking a screenshot of and I love capturing those moments with screenies.
@Nykara360 wrote:
@Rappeldrache wrote:
Nykara360 wrote in an other thread:
"Well overall us straight gals are generally a little more polite and less raging. Also less vocal in general but maybe it's time we upped our game on that to be heard, I'd rather not though.
Just because we don't rage as much, or flip our lids, doesn't mean we feel any less cheated on the romance front.
I also totally agree - everyone has different character preference- make all the romances equal. Then everyone gets what they want and the char they want with a equally fullfilling romance."
Thats it, I think. When Girls / Ladies play the game and if there is something we don't like, we tend to do nothing. ☹️ We don't write angry letters to Bioware / EA, we don't go into a forum .... Bioware could have the impression there are no females playing this game. I have no other explanation why they gave us sutch horrible romance options, with sutch ugly humans / alien.
After DA:I there have been a lot of girls who wanted to start playing SF Bioware games like Mass Effect Andromeda. I don't understand why Bioware dit not take the chance?
(Sorry, I hate the romances in MEA: Horrible, ugly guys and short un-inspired romances. Just my personal opinion! I don't want to insult somebody.)
And have you seen what further plans they have for patches / DLC's? They want to make the Romances for the male Ryder (!!) better and give them more possibilitys. Just great! I fell so ... important .... Thanks Bioware.
The notes when I read them said the male romance options for male ryder was going to be looked at - trust me, they have it the worst, straight females come second on that front. Im glad they are looking at the m/m romances, someone needed to.
I also remain hopeful they will do the same for us.
"Girls" like me started playing BW games long before DAI. Get attached to BW when I did my first NWN run. Admired my Revan, felt in love with Jade Empire. Died when my Shep died. Maybe not the longest history but a history in gaming. My first PC game ever was Drakan and since then I'm hooked to PC gaming.
The problem is that we tent to be quiet. Why so? I guess it has a lot to do that there were times when we raised our voice we were told to shut up because we are a minority or feminists or SJW or whatever insult was on the "in" list. And I have to admit I am surprised how civilized a discussion like this is handled in this forum. Actually I was expecting worse and believe me, I know what I'm talking about, I had a lot of "funny" moments in other forums.
Back to the topic. It is hard to make everyone happy. And it's also hard to write a good romance story that makes everyone happy. What one might like will be too cheesy for another. Would have Evfra been a better romance? Probably, maybe. Is Gil a bad romance and is Dorian written so much better? Probably because Dorian is a main char in DAI. That doesn't mean there aren't people who enjoy a romance with Gil. See, I know I have to romance Liam in one of my playthroughs to get my trophy but honestly he's not "my" kind of guy. That's ok, it's like in RL. I don't have to like everone and that's perfectly fine. Diversity. And more believable than NPCs who are everybody's darling.
Is everyone ugly? I don't know, I think they are "believeable" good looking. And for me it's more important that someone has a interesting nature or charisma. That attracts me more than a nice face. I wouldn't date an a..hole just because he looks handsome. But that's just MHO of course.
What I don't like is that we have a class system. "Good" and "unimportant" romances you could call it. Everyone should have the same quality in story, cinematics. No matter if it's a m/f, a f/m, a f/f or a m/m romance. No matter if it's a "main" NPC or not. BW offers them as romance so BW should tread them equaly. Certainly it's matter of budget, time and development but well, then make less but make it worthwhile and good. Give me the feeling this is something important and growing, not just the typical one night stand before the great showdown. I love BW for giving us romances and I'm thankful but it needs more work. And if that's not possible then ok, no romances at all. It would be sad but better without it than with exactly the same "running gag" in every game.
@friffy wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:
@Rappeldrache wrote:
Nykara360 wrote in an other thread:
"Well overall us straight gals are generally a little more polite and less raging. Also less vocal in general but maybe it's time we upped our game on that to be heard, I'd rather not though.
Just because we don't rage as much, or flip our lids, doesn't mean we feel any less cheated on the romance front.
I also totally agree - everyone has different character preference- make all the romances equal. Then everyone gets what they want and the char they want with a equally fullfilling romance."
Thats it, I think. When Girls / Ladies play the game and if there is something we don't like, we tend to do nothing. ☹️ We don't write angry letters to Bioware / EA, we don't go into a forum .... Bioware could have the impression there are no females playing this game. I have no other explanation why they gave us sutch horrible romance options, with sutch ugly humans / alien.
After DA:I there have been a lot of girls who wanted to start playing SF Bioware games like Mass Effect Andromeda. I don't understand why Bioware dit not take the chance?
(Sorry, I hate the romances in MEA: Horrible, ugly guys and short un-inspired romances. Just my personal opinion! I don't want to insult somebody.)
And have you seen what further plans they have for patches / DLC's? They want to make the Romances for the male Ryder (!!) better and give them more possibilitys. Just great! I fell so ... important .... Thanks Bioware.
The notes when I read them said the male romance options for male ryder was going to be looked at - trust me, they have it the worst, straight females come second on that front. Im glad they are looking at the m/m romances, someone needed to.
I also remain hopeful they will do the same for us.
"Girls" like me started playing BW games long before DAI. Get attached to BW when I did my first NWN run. Admired my Revan, felt in love with Jade Empire. Died when my Shep died. Maybe not the longest history but a history in gaming. My first PC game ever was Drakan and since then I'm hooked to PC gaming.
The problem is that we tent to be quiet. Why so? I guess it has a lot to do that there were times when we raised our voice we were told to shut up because we are a minority or feminists or SJW or whatever insult was on the "in" list. And I have to admit I am surprised how civilized a discussion like this is handled in this forum. Actually I was expecting worse and believe me, I know what I'm talking about, I had a lot of "funny" moments in other forums.
Back to the topic. It is hard to make everyone happy. And it's also hard to write a good romance story that makes everyone happy. What one might like will be too cheesy for another. Would have Evfra been a better romance? Probably, maybe. Is Gil a bad romance and is Dorian written so much better? Probably because Dorian is a main char in DAI. That doesn't mean there aren't people who enjoy a romance with Gil. See, I know I have to romance Liam in one of my playthroughs to get my trophy but honestly he's not "my" kind of guy. That's ok, it's like in RL. I don't have to like everone and that's perfectly fine. Diversity. And more believable than NPCs who are everybody's darling.
Is everyone ugly? I don't know, I think they are "believeable" good looking. And for me it's more important that someone has a interesting nature or charisma. That attracts me more than a nice face. I wouldn't date an a..hole just because he looks handsome. But that's just MHO of course.
What I don't like is that we have a class system. "Good" and "unimportant" romances you could call it. Everyone should have the same quality in story, cinematics. No matter if it's a m/f, a f/m, a f/f or a m/m romance. No matter if it's a "main" NPC or not. BW offers them as romance so BW should tread them equaly. Certainly it's matter of budget, time and development but well, then make less but make it worthwhile and good. Give me the feeling this is something important and growing, not just the typical one night stand before the great showdown. I love BW for giving us romances and I'm thankful but it needs more work. And if that's not possible then ok, no romances at all. It would be sad but better without it than with exactly the same "running gag" in every game.
There's actually a good chance I wouldn't play these games without the romances in them - not anymore.
Ever since my first, which for me was KOTOR I can't play rpgs that don't give me a female protag to play and a romance. Well other than diablo whoch is a mix rpg / dungeon crawling which Ive played since the first one. Romances just add that extra that I love and enjoy writing fanfic for.
I liked Shep, but Kaidan made me love her and feel invested in what happened to her, because she had someone who cared back.
I was also never an fps fan. The rpg elements of mass effect + the characters and romances made me play the games start to end and learn to fps. Before that I was more adventure games (like Riven, Myst, Sam and Max, Day of the Tentical etc) and strategies like Master of Orion 2, Age of Empires, Civilization and also games like The Sims and Creatures.
I was always a sci fi fan at least, so ME did have that appeal as well. Was never a fantasy fan though and yet the RPG elements and romances also drew me to the dragon age games. I very much enjoy them, although probably not as much as ME with its sci fi setting.
Anyhow the point being for me, the romances are a big part of the story and my characters, which is one of the reasons why it's exceptionally disappointing when they don't get the attention they should or could.
I guess you could say, im very much a girl when it comes to the games I play more than a 'gamer'.
Thats just it though, this is what the bioware games do - attract a much larger audience due to the uniqueness they provide with story and romances. Sometimes though, with mass effect it feels as if they are concentrating more on the elements other games have that are 'popular' which there is already dozens of and less o what makes it unique and I would rather they go the other way. Put more focus on that which makes these games unique.
Dragon Age still has it. But they never added MP. I can't help but feel MP has taken up too much of the story resources to keep them as good as they were, noticed in ME3 and now in Andromeda with certain aspects feeling rushed and unpolished.
Nothing in inquisition felt unpolished. Nothing in ME2 or 1 felt unpolished. The only thing different to them and me3/andromeda is MP. Draining resources from the story and chars?
@friffy wrote:
And if that's not possible then ok, no romances at all. It would be sad but better without it than with exactly the same "running gag" in every game.
To be honest, I'd personally not be playing these games, if it wasn't for the romances. That's what I find the most appealing about Bioware games, strong storylines and romances with depth 🙂
I find Liam just to be ick. He looks like an emaciated drug addict with his shirt off. He seems to be worthless in battle and he never makes sense. He even calls you a * after you finish his loyalty mission. Seriously, who would date a guy that put a parrot up his butt?
It is very, very early in the story where Peebee makes it known she really likes Jaal. Jaal, in my opinion, is hands off for a leader at that point.
Reyes is fun and everyone talks about your relationship with him except the two people in the relationship. Even Addison has her two cents about it. To get this, ask Addison what people think of the ouposts. Actually, speak to her after every outpost; the option isn't highlighted but she has new dialogue. Nothing like being locked in a serious relationship without actually discussing a relationship. After the patch and the fifth time going to Kadara hoping there might be more than just the email, you get to say we kissed then nothing. Oh, before you enter the building in Meridian, turn around and look, I believe that is Reyes standing there. He joined you in the last battle before entering the building. You do not get the option to say anything but he is there.
@chrissyce1123 wrote:
Reyes is fun and everyone talks about your relationship with him except the two people in the relationship. Even Addison has her two cents about it. To get this, ask Addison what people think of the ouposts. Actually, speak to her after every outpost; the option isn't highlighted but she has new dialogue. Nothing like being locked in a serious relationship without actually discussing a relationship. After the patch and the fifth time going to Kadara hoping there might be more than just the email, you get to say we kissed then nothing. Oh, before you enter the building in Meridian, turn around and look, I believe that is Reyes standing there. He joined you in the last battle before entering the building. You do not get the option to say anything but he is there.
Yeah I romanced Reyes and regretted it the most time...don't get me wrong his romance is awesome, but it is kind of not existing after his quest and for it was 30 hours to go without a relationship and without the possibility to even flirt with someone. No mail (despite the one right after the quest) and when I visit him he says "I hoped you stopped by" (something like that).
And in the end:
