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Is this a personal question then?
What I saw: a whole Salarian ark under Kett threat. Needed their Pathfinder to save them.
VS
Saving Krogans and not really sure if we would be successful at saving the Salarians. I also considered that most Krogan were safe at Eladeen.
That's how I ended up choosing Raeka. And even after the bizarre tantrum from Drack, I had no regrets, even more after seeing that Krogans were that self-centered, that Drack didn't consider we were saving someone like ourselves, a Pathfinder which could help bringing order in a very much more thoroughly way than Krogan Scouts.
@PandaTar wrote:
Is this a personal question then?
SpoilerWhen that option appeared, I actually didn't fell like something I had to ponder on. It almost felt like a no-brainer, actually.
What I saw: a whole Salarian ark under Kett threat. Needed their Pathfinder to save them.
VS
Saving Krogans and not really sure if we would be successful at saving the Salarians. I also considered that most Krogan were safe at Eladeen.
That's how I ended up choosing Raeka. And even after the bizarre tantrum from Drack, I had no regrets, even more after seeing that Krogans were that self-centered, that Drack didn't consider we were saving someone like ourselves, a Pathfinder which could help bringing order in a very much more thoroughly way than Krogan Scouts.
For me it was, but however you want to answer it is fine. Even if it just ends up as some sort of informal poll or rambling I'll be happy. 😃
I know you had to do the Cora loyalty mission. In what order did you do these two, do you think they kinda morally tie together or not, did the way you went in one make deciding the other easier/harder?
- Anonymous9 years ago
@jpcerutti1 wrote:
For me it was, but however you want to answer it is fine. Even if it just ends up as some sort of informal poll or rambling I'll be happy. 😃
I know you had to do the Cora loyalty mission. In what order did you do these two, do you think they kinda morally tie together or not, did the way you went in one make deciding the other easier/harder?
Let me marshal my ideas a bit to get them properly rekindled.
Loadind...
Right.
I did Cora's first. I remember the Salarian ark not appearing that far into the story started to make me wary I missed something.
Regarding what I did with the Asari, I pointed out the fact that other asari wasn't what she pretended to be, Cora enraged about it etc. BUT, I decided having her remaining as a Pathfinder. Thought it made sense leaving her there and prove me right, have a second go, give her a chance, similar to the chance people gave me when I was force-fed a Pathfinding destiny.
If they tie together? I didn't feel any of the ark plots intertwined, at least not in my understanding or my perception. I treated them as completely different and separated things (probably because I did so many side quests in the between). Someone would have to point me out anything that could make me a little more aware of a different opinion.
If one influenced the other? Not exactly. My posture when doing that job was to save as many different species as possible and try to grant their supremacy as much as possible. I wouldn't let Cora's personal feelings nor Drack's interfere with my judgement.
That's how I can answer your questions as tersely as possible. 😉
- 9 years agoSpoiler
I trusted Raeka pathfinder's skills more than Krogan shoot stuff and don't die "scouts". If a group can survive without my help, that'd be...
My choice is obvious.
But lemme also argue this additionally with Ashley vs Kaidan. When ME series were ME1 only, I picked "damsel in distress". When biotic explosions became a thing, and the damsel got hollywoodized plasticjobs, I replayed to chose Kaidan. In the upcoming war I needed teamwork damage, not looks and certainly not xenophobia.
SpoilerThe war is coming. Pathfinders won't be needed in it. They must act (properly?) now or never. Experienced or not.That also answers who was my pick in Asari choice.
- 9 years ago
@PandaTar wrote:
@jpcerutti1 wrote:
For me it was, but however you want to answer it is fine. Even if it just ends up as some sort of informal poll or rambling I'll be happy. 😃
I know you had to do the Cora loyalty mission. In what order did you do these two, do you think they kinda morally tie together or not, did the way you went in one make deciding the other easier/harder?
Let me marshal my ideas a bit to get them properly rekindled.
Loadind...
Right.
I did Cora's first. I remember the Salarian ark not appearing that far into the story started to make me wary I missed something.
Regarding what I did with the Asari, I pointed out the fact that other asari wasn't what she pretended to be, Cora enraged about it etc. BUT, I decided having her remaining as a Pathfinder. Thought it made sense leaving her there and prove me right, have a second go, give her a chance, similar to the chance people gave me when I was force-fed a Pathfinding destiny.
If they tie together? I didn't feel any of the ark plots intertwined, at least not in my understanding or my perception. I treated them as completely different and separated things (probably because I did so many side quests in the between). Someone would have to point me out anything that could make me a little more aware of a different opinion.
If one influenced the other? Not exactly. My posture when doing that job was to save as many different species as possible and try to grant their supremacy as much as possible. I wouldn't let Cora's personal feelings nor Drack's interfere with my judgement.
That's how I can answer your questions as tersely as possible. 😉
You can run as long or short as you'd like. 🙂
Then we made the same set of decisions but in different order. I did them nearly back to back though because I was concerned the plot was picking up steam and that I better hurry up and get all the loyalty missions done before I needed those skills at some Bioware cutoff point. They tied together to me. Doing so pretty much made it feel like I was measuring Sarissa with the same stick I *just* used to make the same kind of decision. In front of my second who idolizes this Asari. Really didn't want it to feel like just a self-justification or a "rules are the rules" decision when there really aren't any.
SpoilerWhen you first out her, it just felt like I was replaying the murder investigation. You don't know there's a third option until it pops up.- Anonymous9 years ago
I went with the krogans.
SpoilerI was just lazy to unload all the galaxy's ammunition into those behemoths later on.I like krogans though it may not be the logical choice, salarians arguably seem to be a better option.
However in my next playthrough i will choose the salarians just for the sake of it.
- 9 years ago
@PandaTar wrote:
@jpcerutti1 wrote:
For me it was, but however you want to answer it is fine. Even if it just ends up as some sort of informal poll or rambling I'll be happy. 😃
I know you had to do the Cora loyalty mission. In what order did you do these two, do you think they kinda morally tie together or not, did the way you went in one make deciding the other easier/harder?
Let me marshal my ideas a bit to get them properly rekindled.
Loadind...
Right.
I did Cora's first. I remember the Salarian ark not appearing that far into the story started to make me wary I missed something.
Regarding what I did with the Asari, I pointed out the fact that other asari wasn't what she pretended to be, Cora enraged about it etc. BUT, I decided having her remaining as a Pathfinder. Thought it made sense leaving her there and prove me right, have a second go, give her a chance, similar to the chance people gave me when I was force-fed a Pathfinding destiny.
If they tie together? I didn't feel any of the ark plots intertwined, at least not in my understanding or my perception. I treated them as completely different and separated things (probably because I did so many side quests in the between). Someone would have to point me out anything that could make me a little more aware of a different opinion.
If one influenced the other? Not exactly. My posture when doing that job was to save as many different species as possible and try to grant their supremacy as much as possible. I wouldn't let Cora's personal feelings nor Drack's interfere with my judgement.
That's how I can answer your questions as tersely as possible. 😉
I did the Turian and Asari arks first, which partially influenced my decision. I backed Sarissa's choice on priorities, although I didn't out her, because I agreed on the ark first reasoning.
As for Raeka vs Krogan, I went Krogan for several reasons.
1) it seemed from the information we had that the kett were closest to Krogan DNA extraction/exultation, thus making them the biggest setback for the kett
2) All of the other original Pathfinders are dead, so why should the Salarians be special (I like the Captain as Pathfinder anyway. Whatever Tann may think, based on my interactions with him, if the Captain is looking to anyone for guidance it's me)
3) the Krogan always get it in the pants, so it's time someone backed them up
- 9 years ago
@Philbe63 wrote:
SpoilerKrogan scouts because there are so few Krogan. Raeka was well aware of the danger she was in and she made her choice. Just like Ryder's father made his....New Galaxy, new thinking. was how I saw it. I also got rid of Sarissa because she hid what she did. If she truly felt it was the right choice, why hide it? I don't trust her and while the next in line is green, so was Ryder (Sara). And so is the Asari Pathfinder and so is the Turian Pathfinder....equal footing for everyone.She knew the job was dangerous when she took it. 🙂
@PretzleMe wrote:
SpoilerRaeka because I do everything else for the Krogan.
Don't tell anyone and keep Sarissa as Pathfinder because I understood her decision and I felt that telling people what happened would only unnecessarily complicate things.
My only disappointment in the Sarissa thing is that the data appears to have no affect on anything,Sarissa will figure back into some storyline one way or another; it is not like Bioware to force tough choices and then not to come back and have them effect the game somewhere.
- 9 years agoSpoilerRaeka every single playthrough. Why?
1) She's a pathfinder, she saved my squad(didnt know this my first playthrough, but now I do, she's an awesome person), vs the krogan scout whom you never met, it's like the staff of your friend.... One of the easier decisions for me.
2) Continuity, if MEA2 does get done and I am still around to play it, then Raeka should be an important part of MEA2, either as a pathfinder or ambassador.
3) Have you seen the Salarian pilot dude that takes over from her if she dies? And they call Ryder Tann's lapdog... That guy's practically indoctrinated by Tann'
Sarissa every playthrough. Reasons:
1) She destroyed a Kett ship with biotics...
2) She destroyed a kett ship with biotics...
3) She destroyed a kett ship with biotics....
Seriously that was the most powerful thing shown in the entire MEA and I am not about to kick her off the team... I cant even remember if I have seen something this awesome in terms of biotic power in the original trilogy.... Samara(I chose her) had a little shield on in ME2 final battle and she was panting away at the end... Also what she did wasn't malicious, it was a call, I felt the call was the right one. Ark v pathfinder... Ark should be the right choice... She did try to cover it up, but hey... if you screwed up at work today and you may lose your job if you dont cover it up, would you?
Whilst the other Rookie gal was learning how to BREATHE...
I will go hug Cora and she will get over it.- 9 years ago
@VladVonCastein wrote:
SpoilerRaeka every single playthrough. Why?
1) She's a pathfinder, she saved my squad(didnt know this my first playthrough, but now I do, she's an awesome person), vs the krogan scout whom you never met, it's like the staff of your friend.... One of the easier decisions for me.
2) Continuity, if MEA2 does get done and I am still around to play it, then Raeka should be an important part of MEA2, either as a pathfinder or ambassador.
3) Have you seen the Salarian pilot dude that takes over from her if she dies? And they call Ryder Tann's lapdog... That guy's practically indoctrinated by Tann'
Sarissa every playthrough. Reasons:
1) She destroyed a Kett ship with biotics...
2) She destroyed a kett ship with biotics...
3) She destroyed a kett ship with biotics....
Seriously that was the most powerful thing shown in the entire MEA and I am not about to kick her off the team... I cant even remember if I have seen something this awesome in terms of biotic power in the original trilogy.... Samara(I chose her) had a little shield on in ME2 final battle and she was panting away at the end... Also what she did wasn't malicious, it was a call, I felt the call was the right one. Ark v pathfinder... Ark should be the right choice... She did try to cover it up, but hey... if you screwed up at work today and you may lose your job if you dont cover it up, would you?
Whilst the other Rookie gal was learning how to BREATHE...
I will go hug Cora and she will get over it.Three pretty good reasons. 🙂
My personal dilemma was how do I pick that and not break my second? 😃
- 9 years ago
Between Raeka and the Krogren? I don't think ME:A presented that decision very well to begin with. There are plenty of reasons to rescue Raeka. She's already, in the span of about 40 minutes, proved to be a vitally useful ally and a good leader (something the initiative is sorely lacking). But why should I rescue the Krogen? Because they're Krogen and I should feel sorry for them...for being Krogen? I'm sorry but assuming that the Krogen deserve to be saved more than the Salarians is straight up species-ist. I know nothing about the Krogen scouts. I don't know if they're useful or deserve mercy for some specific reason. In fact, choosing to save the Salarians, I would argue, is the objectively smarter decision n terms of hindering the Kett. By the time we get to the flagship they've already started corrupting Krogen biology, let's not give them too much of a head start on Salarians. Like I said the game simply didn't present the decisions well enough to make me feel like saving the Krogen scouts was at all a worth while choice.
Now between Sarissa and Vederia? Power is great and all but Sarissa proved that she can't be trusted. I fully agree with the decision she made and her reasons for making it, but that's not the problem.
She lied about it.
A lie of omission is still a lie. One of the most important aspects of a good leader is the willingness to commit to your decisions and stand by them even in the face of scrutiny and disagreement. Had she done this I would have sided with her wholeheartedly, some times the best decisions are the hardest ones to make, but instead she took the cowards route. Her decision may have been very beneficial to us but we're not choosing whether or not she gets a pat on the head, we're deciding whether or not she's worthy of one of the highest and most powerful leadership positions held by anyone in the initiative.
I promise you, putting your faith in a liar will come back to bite you.
Vederia, despite her inexperience, showed great courage in the face of adversity and a willingness to try and make the situation better for everyone involved. Who did we find out in the dangerous part of the ship trying to get systems back up and running? Certainly not our powerful pathfinder Sarissa, but an inexperienced rookie. Sarissa only showed up after all the real fighting had ended to show off her biotics. Theoretically a bioticly inclined Ryder or other sqaudmate could have jumped in and done the same thing.
- EgoMania9 years agoSeasoned Ace
I guess it depends on how you look at erm Kettification.
In game being turned into a Kett is a big thing and considered a fate worse than death.
So would you save a bunch of Krogan scouts that are about to suffer that fate and let Raeka die a hero's death?
Or do you save Raeka and let the Krogan suffer a fate worse than death?
I agree it wasn't that well presented particularly on a first playthrough but that's the moral choice behind it.
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