VAULTS | Their real purpose. Your thoughts?
I was mulling over this idea – surely, most likely wasting my time with it – of the purpose of a Vault.
The story we have is:
Long range scanners identified potential worlds, 600 years back. ...
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Well, all this Vault idea seem to have the base idea coming from our real life history here in Earth. Our ancient civilizations thousands of years old, had Hi-tech machines, earthquake proof, laser precision, for building structures we cannot understand (pyramids etc) , what is their purpose, nor reproduce today with our technology in 2017.
At least, in the game we have Remnants, we could study and find out more about them, except if they are simple machines programmed to have hostility enabled or disabled and have no information on their origin.
In a way, i would think they were built by some advanced civilization who left them to perform terraforming until their return at a later time to see the results. Maybe the builders need more planets to populate and they are creating the environment in advance.
Or, They could be older than we think and "Maybe" they even know about the Reapers, that's another reason they might have built these vaults. In case all life ceases from destruction, there is a chance to restart it. Also they created the Angara to ensure life goes on? Could they have created Leviathan also then? Which ultimately went the wrong way around... lol
Most vaults are underground, some have the galactic map info, which means they explored to find any potential exploitation be it life, resources for mining etc. Also some have heavy defense systems... did they expect an attack in a non-life existent system? Maybe they knew something we don't just yet.
These vaults could be something that was meant to create and preserve life at any cost. I don't know... 🙂
Has nobody hypothesized that maybe just maybe the scans were wrong all along? I mean we did get the scan data from Geth tech or some Geth thing, right?
@ensiform wrote:
Has nobody hypothesized that maybe just maybe the scans were wrong all along? I mean we did get the scan data from Geth tech or some Geth thing, right?
The whole concept of the long range scans hurts my brain deeply, I know there was one npc that talked about it, but I'm drawing a blank at the moment. Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away, unless there is some means of scanning that manages to gather information at Faster than Light speeds, it just doesn't make sense.I do understand the concept of faster than light travel, the ship itself distorts space around it, but that represents a piece of hardware actually going somewhere, you can't just distort a window across that much space to take a peek, and just for the sake of arguement that they could, they wouldn't be able to start gathering infomation until their sensing ability travelled the distance to Andromeda, and then pinged back to the sensor unit. If the FTL sensors could sense as fast as nexus could travel, they still would have needed 1200 years before the sensors picked anything up.
I'm still scratching my head about the whole "When we looked at it just 600 years ago" part, whatever information they were receiving "the old fashion way" via light (and every other form of electromagnetic wave length) back in the milkyway was 2.5 million years old.
- Well I'd say some of it is space magic to assume what we humans are able to do now and just extrapolated from assumptions and lore with advancements in the universe. Also, they didn't exactly say much about how the scans worked. And considering the Geth are a very strong AI with hive mind and processing power who knows what they were able to do with space magic scanners then lol. But maybe it was never actually seen that it was viable truly. Could also have been because things were sped up by the timeline changing due to Reapers that they pretended everything was fine but it really wasn't and didn't tell anyone except maybe Jien Garson since she was murdered.
@ensiform wrote:
Well I'd say some of it is space magic to assume what we humans are able to do now and just extrapolated from assumptions and lore with advancements in the universe. Also, they didn't exactly say much about how the scans worked. And considering the Geth are a very strong AI with hive mind and processing power who knows what they were able to do with space magic scanners then lol. But maybe it was never actually seen that it was viable truly. Could also have been because things were sped up by the timeline changing due to Reapers that they pretended everything was fine but it really wasn't and didn't tell anyone except maybe Jien Garson since she was murdered.I was thinking the same thing ...lol
Geth could've had waaaay more information than the rest of the Milky Way species. Maybe they already traveled to Andromeda without sharing that information. For Geth is easy, they only need batteries to live....They don't even use windows: "Structural weakness" hahahaha
@Pixeldance wrote:
@ensiform wrote:
Has nobody hypothesized that maybe just maybe the scans were wrong all along? I mean we did get the scan data from Geth tech or some Geth thing, right?
The whole concept of the long range scans hurts my brain deeply, I know there was one npc that talked about it, but I'm drawing a blank at the moment. Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away, unless there is some means of scanning that manages to gather information at Faster than Light speeds, it just doesn't make sense.I do understand the concept of faster than light travel, the ship itself distorts space around it, but that represents a piece of hardware actually going somewhere, you can't just distort a window across that much space to take a peek, and just for the sake of arguement that they could, they wouldn't be able to start gathering infomation until their sensing ability travelled the distance to Andromeda, and then pinged back to the sensor unit. If the FTL sensors could sense as fast as nexus could travel, they still would have needed 1200 years before the sensors picked anything up.
I'm still scratching my head about the whole "When we looked at it just 600 years ago" part, whatever information they were receiving "the old fashion way" via light (and every other form of electromagnetic wave length) back in the milkyway was 2.5 million years old.
The Geth made their longe range scanner from a converted Mass Relay, althoug they never say how it works or how the scanner actually works or how the Initiative actually got the scans from the Geth in the first place. Seeing as the Perseus Veil blocks all scans, meaning that someone would have had to go through the Veil and take the the scan results from whatever Geth server they are on..
Not to mention the people who stole the Andromeda scans from the Geth would have needed some sort of ship stealth system and if the cannon hasn't been retconned, the Normandy is the first ship to use stealth systems (but the Normandy wasn't finished until 2183 and the push to Andromeda started in 2176)
@ensiform wrote:
Has nobody hypothesized that maybe just maybe the scans were wrong all along? I mean we did get the scan data from Geth tech or some Geth thing, right?
I'm sure people have, it's just that I didn't. My reasoning being for outside game reasons. I don't see them writing that into the story. They seem to have struggled enough on the story aspect, I don't see them unnecessarily making the scans just wrong from the start.
When it comes to this sort of thing, there has to be some suspension of belief considering it uses technology that doesn't exist to accomplish things they want accomplished in the story.
So if the story claims they used some kind of ubertonium powered telescope to see something in real time, I just shrug and say, "Ok."
Is that dumb? I dunno. It's just what I doooo... sometimes... this time.
iirc, according to suvi... the geth created, not simply converted a mass relay and turned it into ftl scanner. if that's true and not a typo or something, it's likely that it would have to be on the edge of or perhaps just beyond the boundaries of the milky-way. like an actual telescope needing to be away from light sources and atmospheric interference for maximum effectiveness, that's why observatories are almost always in high elevations in the middle of nowhere. if that's the case you might only need to intercept the transmissions, not raid a geth server node, or the facility might be unmanned or um... un-platformed? so just hack and reprogram or whatever?
i actually have no idea about any of that stuff, just taking shots in the dark based on what little i actually do know about similar, though likely unrelated knowledge.
@CasperTheLich wrote:
iirc, according to suvi... the geth created, not simply converted a mass relay and turned it into ftl scanner. if that's true and not a typo or something, it's likely that it would have to be on the edge of or perhaps just beyond the boundaries of the milky-way. like an actual telescope needing to be away from light sources and atmospheric interference for maximum effectiveness, that's why observatories are almost always in high elevations in the middle of nowhere. if that's the case you might only need to intercept the transmissions, not raid a geth server node, or the facility might be unmanned or um... un-platformed? so just hack and reprogram or whatever?
i actually have no idea about any of that stuff, just taking shots in the dark based on what little i actually do know about similar, though likely unrelated knowledge.
I'm guessing that the scans came courtesy of the Benefactor, after they took over the Initiative. In a possibly related issue, while scanning outside the Milky Way with the Hubble Telescope of Doom did they spot the giant armada of Uber-warships parked in dark space and decide "Holy *! I need to get out of here!", possibly after getting a freshly-minted Specter named Saren to go check them out on the down-lo, with disastrous consequences.
