VAULTS | Their real purpose. Your thoughts?
I was mulling over this idea – surely, most likely wasting my time with it – of the purpose of a Vault.
The story we have is:
Long range scanners identified potential worlds, 600 years back. ...
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@CasperTheLich wrote:
i was wondering if the jardaan were actually building entire planetary systems from scratch, planet by planet? as this cluster seems to be about 10 times as densely populated by star-systems as anywhere i've seen in the ME trilogy, and a good chunk that we can't see was buried/destroyed by the scourge. is that just the way andromeda is built, or is it unique as well as naturally occurring? thoughts?
Heavily Jardaan-formed, IMO. Read the codex on the Jardaan and it mentions that they arrived in Heleus in 1600 BCE and that the Scourge hit about 600 years ago. So the Vault worlds were probably reverting to their original state.
@arthurh3535 wrote:
@CasperTheLich wrote:
i was wondering if the jardaan were actually building entire planetary systems from scratch, planet by planet? as this cluster seems to be about 10 times as densely populated by star-systems as anywhere i've seen in the ME trilogy, and a good chunk that we can't see was buried/destroyed by the scourge. is that just the way andromeda is built, or is it unique as well as naturally occurring? thoughts?
Heavily Jardaan-formed, IMO. Read the codex on the Jardaan and it mentions that they arrived in Heleus in 1600 BCE and that the Scourge hit about 600 years ago. So the Vault worlds were probably reverting to their original state.
i'm pretty much on the fence about that. yes it's a very short amount of time, and we don't really know about the rest of the galaxy, though this cluster kind of reminds me of the entire galaxy map in me1-3...
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but, more so of ME3
Well, with the 1600 BCE, we now know that the Jardaan were here for over 2,000 years. So planets reverting back to the way they were in 600 years is not unreasonable.
i'm not saying they simply altered/terraformed the planets. i'm saying they created entire planets from scratch somehow... like by gathering galactic dust-clouds and condensing them at an accelerated rate to create stars, then entire planets, or something.
@CasperTheLich wrote:
i'm not saying they simply altered/terraformed the planets. i'm saying they created entire planets from scratch somehow... like by gathering galactic dust-clouds and condensing them at an accelerated rate to create stars, then entire planets, or something.
They didn't say the number of planets was unusual, but the number of 'Golden Worlds' ie. habitable planets.
@arthurh3535 wrote:
@CasperTheLich wrote:
i'm not saying they simply altered/terraformed the planets. i'm saying they created entire planets from scratch somehow... like by gathering galactic dust-clouds and condensing them at an accelerated rate to create stars, then entire planets, or something.
They didn't say the number of planets was unusual, but the number of 'Golden Worlds' ie. habitable planets.
i guess... though just because that isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it's false. the only comparison to this cluster is the clusters back in the milkyway, so i don't know if this cluster is normal or abnormal for andromeda... i just know it's several times bigger then anything we've seen thus far (in most cases at least ten times or more).
@CasperTheLich wrote:
I guess... though just because that isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it's false. the only comparison to this cluster is the clusters back in the milkyway, so i don't know if this cluster is normal or abnormal for andromeda... i just know it's several times bigger then anything we've seen thus far (in most cases at least ten times or more).
Eh, it's not like you can run to the nearest Mass Relay to shoot yourself 20,000 light years away in minutes. Though I *think* I remember that one of the Ice Runners bragged about going from Voeld to Eladaan in only hours, so they can't be very far apart at shuttle speeds.
i'm just saying there seems to be way too many star-systems populating this single cluster; and is that somehow the jardaan's influence? if not creating entire planets from scratch, perhaps somehow moving star-systems closer together to make this super cluster, or is it natural, and unique, or natural and just common place for andromea?
it wouldn't surprise me to find out this is in fact the case, but the writers just didn't think it important enough to put down in the codex.
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when i first looked at the actual starmap on the tempest the very first time, my first though was... i though this was just a single star cluster, not an entire galaxy. turns out, it was just a star cluster, a very, very, *says very 8 more times*, big star cluster.
There are actually 90 stars (or similar celestial objects) with 20 light years of Earth. It's not really that impossible, especially with how many planets we can detect already.
@arthurh3535 wrote:
There are actually 90 stars (or similar celestial objects) with 20 light years of Earth. It's not really that impossible, especially with how many planets we can detect already.
i'm not an astronomer, so i'll take your word on that. did i compare MEA to actual reality? if i did it was not my intent. i was just trying to point out that in the previous trilogy there were typically only 3-4 star systems in a cluster, i think the smallest was 1, and the most was something like 7... so now in this single cluster we have 38 star systems. is there anything to that?
@CasperTheLich wrote:
@arthurh3535 wrote:
There are actually 90 stars (or similar celestial objects) with 20 light years of Earth. It's not really that impossible, especially with how many planets we can detect already.
i'm not an astronomer, so i'll take your word on that. did i compare MEA to actual reality? if i did it was not my intent. i was just trying to point out that in the previous trilogy there were typically only 3-4 star systems in a cluster, i think the smallest was 1, and the most was something like 7... so now in this single cluster we have 38 star systems. is there anything to that?
Well, I do have to say that BW have gone out of their way to make it feel more closely related to our reality. I mean those shots on the moon and the whole NASA link was pretty obvious to me. Also using the periodic table for materials is a nice touch there.
Maybe you didn't compare it to actual reality but BW certainly did.
They didn't with the previous games so much and I think that the difference there is that this game is more about exploration than the previous ones and therefore more star systems end up on your map. I wouldn't say that they didn't exist in the previous games, they were just limited as the content was a bit more limited overall. It certainly was more story driven and ME:A is more exploration driven. So I wouldn't see the star maps in the previous games as meaning that that's all there was. It was simply all that was used in the game.
At least that's how I interpret it.
@CasperTheLich wrote:
... so now in this single cluster we have 38 star systems. is there anything to that?Probably a reminder on how astronomy is finding exoplanets, much more common than it was ever thought. However, the point is finding viable planets at short distances. Even our nearest star neighbors have planets, and slowly we discover more.
Andromeda is bigger than the Milky Way, have the double or more than the double of the number of stars, it is also much more massive, so it might be a but more cluttered, depending on where they pick to explore. Besides that, they have Meridian, something that doesn't have in MW, which makes a chained effect of terraforming. Having a Meridian in Milky Way would probably change the galactic starchart a little.
Speaking of which, some crackpot might want to steal Meridian and carry it to the Milky Way.
PandaTar wrote:Speaking of which, some crackpot might want to steal Meridian and carry it to the Milky Way.
and there's our plot for MEA2... no, no, no... just no. i should just shut up before i give the devs more bad ideas.
CasperTheLich wrote:and there's our plot for MEA2... no, no, no... just no. i should just shut up before i give the devs more bad ideas.
Hahaha, yeah, I think you should stop it right there 😉
Oh no... this has somehow devolved into Astronomy class... I feel like I need to go back to college just relate to the last half of this thread 🙂
My answer is simple: the vaults make things workey-workey on the planet thingy-ma-bobs so that life can find a way...
