Why Can't We Lie Sometimes?
There are times where I'd like the option to be "dishonorable" and you know something? I'd be okay if it had an adverse affect on my relationships with certain people (or improved it in some cases)....
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@PretzleMe wrote:
"....Well, it was a negotiating tactic and when you agree to have her release the pods the Kett do arrive, so in fact the reality is that you don't have time to set the charges...."
Charges are not how you blow up the base. As I mentioned in my previous post, SAM was ale to blow up the base almost from the beginning. So again, you're incorrect and not remembering the mission accurately.
Also, this would have no bearing on your ability to return to this base.
"...And even though what I propose would not be necessary by itself, I do believe it would be necessary for me to be believable if you want to have such options throughout the game..."
By this logic, to you the impulsive decision options through out the game aren't believable either as they often do not change how anyone else interacts with you either even though realistically it would. That's fine if that is how you personally feel. I just don't agree.
Though I agree that what you propose would be unnecessary because it would considering you would probably be talking about incorporating such an option 5 times maybe out of how many missions?
Well, I'll see what's what when I get there on my current playthrough.
And no, it would not make the other options unbelievable by default because these choices come at a cost. What you're proposing is an easy cop out choice that would get you what you want.
So how would you like it if you got the choice to lie, get the pods released, kill her and blow the base up, only to be surrounded by the Kett who kill all the Angara that were there and you only barely make it out with the Moshae who hates you for getting everybody else killed because of your choice putting a strain on your relationship with the Angara.
Would that be an acceptable outcome for you?
"....Well, I'll see what's what when I get there on my current playthrough...."
You spoke with such certainty, I thought you already had. Seems odd you chose to comment on that without first making sure you knew especially after the first time you were informed that you were incorrect.
"....And no, it would not make the other options unbelievable by default because these choices come at a cost..."
I can't speak to whether this holds true for all impulsive decisions as your statement implies, but I can say with absolute certainty that several impulsive decisions carry no consequences at all.
@PretzleMe wrote:
"....Well, I'll see what's what when I get there on my current playthrough...."
You spoke with such certainty, I thought you already had. Seems odd you chose to comment on that without first making sure you knew especially after the first time you were informed that you were incorrect.
"....And no, it would not make the other options unbelievable by default because these choices come at a cost..."
I can't speak to whether this holds true for all impulsive decisions as your statement implies, but I can say with absolute certainty that several impulsive decisions carry no consequences at all.
Well, I was sure till you brought some counterpoints. I'm not the type of guy who insists on knowing better if people come with counterarguments. I'm not here to be the winner or the guy who's right. If someone else makes a valid point I try to adjust. What you say sounds like there may be something to it, so I want to investigate. Not just close my ears and act like you didn't say anything sensible.
And yes, some choices come without consequences so they are flat to me. Adding more flat choices wouldn't make the game better for me.
"....I'm not the type of guy who insists on knowing better if people come with counterarguments..."
Wasn't trying to imply you were, just thought it was strange that after I pointed out you were incorrect, you still came back as though you knew without checking first. That kind of seemed like a closed your ears moment.
But it's fine. We all make mistakes.
"...And yes, some choices come without consequences so they are flat to me. Adding more flat choices wouldn't make the game better for me...."
A logical added choice may be flat to you, and that is fine. You wouldn't have to use said choice. That's what makes it a choice.
@PretzleMe wrote:
"....I'm not the type of guy who insists on knowing better if people come with counterarguments..."
Wasn't trying to imply you were, just thought it was strange that after I pointed out you were incorrect, you still came back as though you knew without checking first. That kind of seemed like a closed your ears moment.
But it's fine. We all make mistakes.
"...And yes, some choices come without consequences so they are flat to me. Adding more flat choices wouldn't make the game better for me...."
A logical added choice may be flat to you, and that is fine. You wouldn't have to use said choice. That's what makes it a choice.
Well I came back the first time because there was an alternate explanation that was possible in my mind.
Then you came back with something else where I clearly recognised that I needed to do some research so I will.
I mean, this is the internet after all. People say all kinds of stuff and I'm not going to fact check everything just because someone has a different opinion. However, you made a good point about SAM and I do have half a memory of that so it's clear that I need to check what happened there exactly. You do have to understand I have agreed that I need to check this, I have not yet agreed with your conclusions. For example, I'm not sure if you would have time to go to a terminal to get SAM connected to cause the base to blow up but rather than going back and forth with you about every detail I think it makes more sense to see that mission again and check what I missed and what that means.
And well, here we are on the topic of logic. Logic is not truth. What's logical to one person is not per definition logical for all. I get that BW likes to put key moments in the game where you have to make tough choices, choices that come at a cost. Even if the cost is not getting everything you want. Sure, they could make them more water tight and that is a gripe of mine as well, but I get that this is an element of the game construct as such.
Not all choices are as memorable as that but to me there is such a thing as superfluous choices. I generally like options but at some point they become unnecessary. Now, that may not be the same to you. From what I read here it's clearly not something you see that way. So ok, we have a difference of opinion on that.
I'm cool with that.
What I do find interesting is that you did not comment on my suggestion for a third option. That's what I was looking forward to the most.
