Why Don't I Know Who Liam is?
If it lasts for two years (like Liam tells Jaal once in Nomad banter), how come I've never met Liam before? Even if there are five arks (with the Quarian one) that is only thirty-five people total, f...
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@jpcerutti1 wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:
I really hate that he shafted Cora like that but yeah - pretty obvious he was never going to pass SAM to her. Only way it would have happened was if he died outright and SAM automatically transferred to the next Pathfinder.
BUT it makes a pretty important statement. How could he set up an AI/VI network in his head, with all the pre-succession blocks and triggers, without SAM knowing? I'll buy he could hide it from the missus and the kids, but SAM? SAM is writing the journal... and lying (or at the very least intentionally misleading) to both Cora and me. SAM will lie.👿
Here is hoping SAM has good intentions like Edi and not evil ones 😓😓😓
Alec most likely instructed sam to play dumb it's possible the locks never really exist but the fragments was simply a way to make sure you was actually ready for whatever was ahead and not dump everything on you at once just because an AI lies don't mean its neferious legion lies to you too but his intentions was pure
@ViViD_Prime wrote:
Alec most likely instructed sam to play dumb it's possible the locks never really exist but the fragments was simply a way to make sure you was actually ready for whatever was ahead and not dump everything on you at once just because an AI lies don't mean its neferious legion lies to you too but his intentions was pure
Where did Legion lie? At best he failed to tell me of further developments - and both told me eventually and was completely honest when called out about it... also ashamed.
SAM is no Legion. SAM is deceiving me from square one.
Legion lied about the heratics he knew it would not turn out as he claimed and he still lied to shepard about it
That's not a lie, it wasn't a 100% certainty that Legion could persuade the heretic geth to rejoin the geth and he doesnt trust the quarians, they wanted to wipe out his people. Its called not sharing information, not lying. It was a very good judgement call. Another thread and another post from you with half correct information speaking ill of ME trilogy characters. In one thread you mention us fans of the trilogy having rose tinted glasses? I am starting to think you have the opposite, murky hate tinted contact lenses?
@VladVonCastein wrote:
That's not a lie, it wasn't a 100% certainty that Legion could persuade the heretic geth to rejoin the geth and he doesnt trust the quarians, they wanted to wipe out his people. Its called not sharing information, not lying. It was a very good judgement call. Another thread and another post from you with half correct information speaking ill of ME trilogy characters. In one thread you mention us fans of the trilogy having rose tinted glasses? I am starting to think you have the opposite, murky hate tinted contact lenses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJdjTkE9Yk
The first time he leaves it entirely to to you: (ME2 Destroy Heretics) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZHU9i1hA8I
The second time, he tells you as soon as you disengage from the consensus - of a decision he made while you were in the consensus.
I am guessing, if the Ryders continue, SAM will bring up at some point for justification in the Ma Ryder storyline the decisions you made to tell your sibling (or not) what the real status of things were... among other moral choices you have made. Why it has not come clean yet is anyone's guess.
I don't want to be lied to or misled, even for my own "good" or best interests. At least for me, it is just a twist on the ends justify the means. ☹️
@jpcerutti1 wrote:
@VladVonCastein wrote:
That's not a lie, it wasn't a 100% certainty that Legion could persuade the heretic geth to rejoin the geth and he doesnt trust the quarians, they wanted to wipe out his people. Its called not sharing information, not lying. It was a very good judgement call. Another thread and another post from you with half correct information speaking ill of ME trilogy characters. In one thread you mention us fans of the trilogy having rose tinted glasses? I am starting to think you have the opposite, murky hate tinted contact lenses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJdjTkE9Yk
The first time he leaves it entirely to to you: (ME2 Destroy Heretics) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZHU9i1hA8I
The second time, he tells you as soon as you disengage from the consensus - of a decision he made while you were in the consensus.
I am guessing, if the Ryders continue, SAM will bring up at some point for justification in the Ma Ryder storyline the decisions you made to tell your sibling (or not) what the real status of things were... among other moral choices you have made. Why it has not come clean yet is anyone's guess.
I don't want to be lied to or misled, even for my own "good" or best interests. At least for me, it is just a twist on the ends justify the means. ☹️
Do you ever get the feeling that we are like a Anakin Skywalker?
First episode, nice pure young chap, idealistic and wanted to do good, then finding power... still doing good... I am still wondering if the symbiotic relationship with SAM will continue positively. We already have a glimpse of what SAM can do, he buff ryder up yes, but he can also kill ryder at an instant. He can survive outside ryder or be transferred. Also remembering the story of the zha'til also a symbiotic ai relationship who then turn on their host and took over their bodies. If Bioware chooses this route, we could very well be playing "Anakin" before he becomes Vader and in I dont know MEA3 we may need to face him as the antagonist of that game.
Another interesting concept is in the game "The bureau xcom declassified", it's basically a mix between the Xcom storyline and the ME2/3 combat mechanics(I played it when I was craving for something close to ME). In this game, you play the protagonist but at a much later stage of the game, you realise that the main protagonist is actually having a symbiotic relationship with the alien controlling him and instead of really playing the role of the protagonist, we are playing the alien, which eventually switched bodies and you ended up playing a different character... I was initially wondering if we are actually playing SAM without knowing it until the plot further develops. but looking at the final mission where Ryder was technically without SAM(which I feel was a major plot loophole cause he can still switch profiles and no one explain why he could when the link is severed)...
@VladVonCastein wrote:
That's not a lie, it wasn't a 100% certainty that Legion could persuade the heretic geth to rejoin the geth and he doesnt trust the quarians, they wanted to wipe out his people. Its called not sharing information, not lying. It was a very good judgement call. Another thread and another post from you with half correct information speaking ill of ME trilogy characters. In one thread you mention us fans of the trilogy having rose tinted glasses? I am starting to think you have the opposite, murky hate tinted contact lenses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJdjTkE9Yk
In all fairness, the ME trilogy was a while ago - Andromeda is now. Its easy to forget small details for a game you havent played in a while.
I know myself - im on pt 3 of andromeda already but have only played the entire trilogy 3 times. Last full pt being over a year ago again now. Although I completely love it, have written fanfic etc for it, a lot of the little details are lost in time (i always have to research specifics for fics as they arise).
@Nykara360 wrote:
@VladVonCastein wrote:
That's not a lie, it wasn't a 100% certainty that Legion could persuade the heretic geth to rejoin the geth and he doesnt trust the quarians, they wanted to wipe out his people. Its called not sharing information, not lying. It was a very good judgement call. Another thread and another post from you with half correct information speaking ill of ME trilogy characters. In one thread you mention us fans of the trilogy having rose tinted glasses? I am starting to think you have the opposite, murky hate tinted contact lenses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJdjTkE9Yk
In all fairness, the ME trilogy was a while ago - Andromeda is now. Its easy to forget small details for a game you havent played in a while.
I know myself - im on pt 3 of andromeda already but have only played the entire trilogy 3 times. Last full pt being over a year ago again now. Although I completely love it, have written fanfic etc for it, a lot of the little details are lost in time (i always have to research specifics for fics as they arise).
Of course it's easy to forget and I would normally ignore it if not for the consistency of misinformation and false facts in many different threads. Misinformation or false facts used to justify the dislike for many ME trilogy characters may influence others who as you rightfully point out have forgotten the facts. Clarification is in order.
@VladVonCastein wrote:
@jpcerutti1 wrote:
@VladVonCastein wrote:
That's not a lie, it wasn't a 100% certainty that Legion could persuade the heretic geth to rejoin the geth and he doesnt trust the quarians, they wanted to wipe out his people. Its called not sharing information, not lying. It was a very good judgement call. Another thread and another post from you with half correct information speaking ill of ME trilogy characters. In one thread you mention us fans of the trilogy having rose tinted glasses? I am starting to think you have the opposite, murky hate tinted contact lenses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJdjTkE9Yk
The first time he leaves it entirely to to you: (ME2 Destroy Heretics) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZHU9i1hA8I
The second time, he tells you as soon as you disengage from the consensus - of a decision he made while you were in the consensus.
I am guessing, if the Ryders continue, SAM will bring up at some point for justification in the Ma Ryder storyline the decisions you made to tell your sibling (or not) what the real status of things were... among other moral choices you have made. Why it has not come clean yet is anyone's guess.
I don't want to be lied to or misled, even for my own "good" or best interests. At least for me, it is just a twist on the ends justify the means. ☹️
Do you ever get the feeling that we are like a Anakin Skywalker?
First episode, nice pure young chap, idealistic and wanted to do good, then finding power... still doing good... I am still wondering if the symbiotic relationship with SAM will continue positively. We already have a glimpse of what SAM can do, he buff ryder up yes, but he can also kill ryder at an instant. He can survive outside ryder or be transferred. Also remembering the story of the zha'til also a symbiotic ai relationship who then turn on their host and took over their bodies. If Bioware chooses this route, we could very well be playing "Anakin" before he becomes Vader and in I dont know MEA3 we may need to face him as the antagonist of that game.
Another interesting concept is in the game "The bureau xcom declassified", it's basically a mix between the Xcom storyline and the ME2/3 combat mechanics(I played it when I was craving for something close to ME). In this game, you play the protagonist but at a much later stage of the game, you realise that the main protagonist is actually having a symbiotic relationship with the alien controlling him and instead of really playing the role of the protagonist, we are playing the alien, which eventually switched bodies and you ended up playing a different character... I was initially wondering if we are actually playing SAM without knowing it until the plot further develops. but looking at the final mission where Ryder was technically without SAM(which I feel was a major plot loophole cause he can still switch profiles and no one explain why he could when the link is severed)...
I get that feeling a LOT.
We're keeping all of pop's secrets, getting channeled into doing what he (and by extension SAM) wants, and aren't taking a critical or questioning look at any of it. We're being faced with a *lot* of decisions that it is far easier to do the expedient thing than the "right" thing. If it came down to a battle of wills, I'm not sure I could defeat the thing in my head that can drop me like so much dead meat whenever it wants. If it can set up its' own succession I may be in some serious trouble. 👿
