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If a developer wants to tone down an achievement then they're free to do so for whatever reason. But the point I was making that people shouldn't expect or demand that to happen unless something's unattainable in some way. Everything here unlocks despite the topic stating it to be impossible, and now that people have been spending the last few months working towards it, it should stay.
It would be a slap in the face to change it now, especially for people like me who got golds under the assumption nothing would be changing.
Personally I didn't experience any issues with the Watch Dogs drinking game and I'm not familiar with any of the other examples, but if I unlocked one of those and they were made easier because people wanted it handed to them while I was out there unlocking them, then I would feel the same way. It's an achievement to show off the fact that you achieved something. Whether it's poorly implemented, not a fun achievement or just not something you don't want to do.
Yes this achievement is difficult and frustrating but so are many others I've unlocked. If I didn't want to deal with any frustration, I simply wouldn't bother to unlock them, it's that simple. All you get for your efforts here is a little badge saying you were able to do it. If you can't or won't do it, then it's obvious you shouldn't have that badge. This one has the benefit of not being required to unlock or progress through any new content or even the platinum trophy, so it applies here especially.
Ok I understand Your point and now You understand my point. Also did this and this is not fair. And how You convince people who did this and think the same like people who didn't?Because i still feel like someone slap me face. Also did this trophy. Another issue is that You are fight with bugs, lags stupid AI not with skill. And another and last issue. Ok perhaps will not change. I did this and said goodbye all games from EA for behaviour and this mess. How many people here did the same. A lot. Another examples with hard trophies in other games is not......good idea because are suggestions:
1. You not play more than 50h or don't know what it different between skills, against game who work properly. In this game count 80% luck 20% skill, bugs, lags and stupid idea is in 80%.
2. You are selfish like You said. Not a bit, but a lot because this seems. I did this and know You fight with bugs in this game like me because I want do this!!!
When in this world dissappear respect, help without advantages and etc. You are great example guys who never understand. You will be mad if will be patch who can help other people. Maybe switch side and see how this look from other side because right now You are above.
Zera
One guy from 45 who did and this should stay, Very good options. I understand that You only buy next NFS because right now most of us avoid every game from EA. Very good direction NFS going. It is more interesting than I though. Need For Speed for hardcoore players 🙂
- 9 years ago
I'm not sure I understand your point but the people who haven't done it haven't put in the same investment as the ones who have. So they can't really be convinced in the same way.
If it's selfish to not want the thing I spent so much time on removed, then I guess that's fine. But I'd say if this changes, the people who have the achievement are going lose something by having wasted their time and struggles while it was difficult. If it's made easier, everyone else will gain something at their expense, when they could just unlock it the way it is or not feel forced to at all.
As for people not buying the next NFS, I don't think this achievement will really factor into that at all. Achievement hunters are a very small amount of the playerbase, and the ones who obsessively aim for 100% are an even smaller number. Only people who care about achievements will be bothered about this, as it's just the same races anyone can play from the main game but with tougher requirements.
Don't worry, your English is fine.
But you have to realise that achievements are completely optional. Some games just have difficult trophies and that's the way things are.
It's aimed at rewarding most dedicated and skilful of players and that's not necessarily a bad thing to have. It's not for everyone, and what would be the point in achievements if all of them were? In fact I saw complaints that the game and trophies were too easy until this happened.
Also, nobody promised that there wouldn't be DLC or difficult trophies when Need for Speed was released. In future if you want to avoid such a thing, either avoid playing a game until it's complete or just don't worry yourself so much over achievements.
- Anonymous9 years ago@Shadiochao
Are you from/sent by EA?
Seems like it. Even EA_Tom liked your post, but he didn't give us any information/answers - Anonymous9 years ago
I also sacrificed this time more than You. Started play since beginning finished today. Struglling frustration with this cost me a lot nerves like You experienced. Experience in the game are same bad, there is nothing good. But people who still try should got a least options to do this because right now 80% luck > 20% skill. I want reasonable hard everyone want. When we came here we wanted only reasonable hard not stuppidly hard. Because this is stupiddly hard. About new NFS time see that earn more money but I can tell You right now that gain less money.
Games franchise game is not supported more than year, behaviour here was far away from fair in the beginning. People started aware players with this situation. Topic was created in 27 Aprill in the same day when DLC came out. They closed support but still asked about patch. So tell me why i should change mind right now when i still think the same. Depends luck not skill. If skill be decide I will defend EA. But You know this that this depends from luck of behaviour AI, car spawn.
Zera
- 9 years ago
He's given an answer and nothing seems to have changed since. I suppose there isn't really much else he can say at this point.
As for the like, as far as I can tell I'm the only one who's posted saying you should either give up or earn it the way things are now. Which are really the only available options as there aren't any planned changes.
Of course, I'm personally glad that things aren't likely to be changed but even if people are complaining for reasons he may or may not disagree with, as a community manager I can't imagine he's enjoying the complaints and probably doesn't want to fuel the fire.
- 9 years ago@Shadiochao yeah. We know youre workong for EA but nice try thanks EA Tom for liking his post Im assuming since youre seeing the posts can you tell me if you got the Gold plate cheevos now ? Hahahaha I swear dude also have you seen the guy who tries 50 hours and got 3 Golds ? So he didnt invest as much time as you did ? Because if there is 41 Gold medals well... He should quit his job to work on it everyday like an unemployed did ? Lollll What a * lets be honest this achievement is too hard and if you wanna keep it this way for your own selfishness then you shouldnt be there posting because the fakeness of this game have already been exposed so dont keep trying to tell us how hard it is. Also one little thing, if you gotta beat the trial in 1min25, how come when Im getting 1min25 it adds up to my time ?? To motivate me to grind harder ? Hahaha I swear EA is prolly the biggest joke this year and guess what ? They will be the worst publisher another year in a row 🙂 with that being said... Can you tell this to Tom @Shadiociao? Like your name says Ciao!
- 9 years ago@Shadiochao yeah. We know youre workong for EA but nice try thanks EA Tom for liking his post Im assuming since youre seeing the posts can you tell me if you got the Gold plate cheevos now ? Hahahaha I swear dude also have you seen the guy who tries 50 hours and got 3 Golds ? So he didnt invest as much time as you did ? Because if there is 41 Gold medals well... He should quit his job to work on it everyday like an unemployed did ? Lollll What a * lets be honest this achievement is too hard and if you wanna keep it this way for your own selfishness then you shouldnt be there posting because the fakeness of this game have already been exposed so dont keep trying to tell us how hard it is. Also one little thing, if you gotta beat the trial in 1min25, how come when Im getting 1min25 it adds up to my time ?? To motivate me to grind harder ? Hahaha I swear EA is prolly the biggest joke this year and guess what ? They will be the worst publisher another year in a row 🙂 with that being said... Can you tell this to Tom @Shadiociao? Like your name says Ciao!
- Anonymous9 years ago
Give them normal behaviour AI and see that aren't worse than You. Don't have luck in this game and if You still understand this it means that You know nothing about skill. Hard games always makes people to learn something who will be in long time like Wipeout. I learned better drift but i should finish this in 2 weeks but luck in this game stopped me for additional month. About giving up,people trying this about Ea_Tom this was another example who should not be there.
About talk smiled manager. You are not able write anything because You know nothing what was here.
- 9 years agoOnce again @Zerathel came through with the right answer... You got a list of all the fakenesses of this game and you still tryina debate how hard it is ?? I got a feeling you're delusionnal but for your own gain... Damn lol Yo Zera dod he really said thay he wanted to keep the achievement like this cause he got it ? Haha I swear of he's not working for EA, EA works for him SMH.
- 9 years ago
Even if someone can't get the achievement, that's hardly a problem. There are probably thousands of achievements I'm incapable of getting for some reason or another, I don't want them all given out for free because of it though.
And it's right that I don't want it changed because I got it. I accepted that this is the way the it is and worked my way up towards it, instead of working to bring it down towards me. Now I have a trophy which shows I did this incredibly difficult thing that many people can't do, and I'm proud to have that. If it's changed then what's left? A trophy which shows I could've waited and got it effortlessly rather than put in any actual effort. No I don't want my accomplishments devalued because some people miss having 100% and think the only way they'll get it back is if it's made easier.
If I'm the only one who thinks so, that's fine. I thought it was useful to show that there is at least some opposition to changing it, and I think I have all the right reasons to do so.
- Anonymous9 years ago
Back to Your game see difference between hard skill games and luck stuppidly hard and later back to write something smart. Because blame yourselft and even don't know what You write. Did 2 games i did more so got knowledge what is wrong. Also You should know this and if You don't understand the simplest arguments I don't know what wrong with You. Later talk about who can who can't because this is big fight with bug than something hard. But have to thank You never saw that someone who got hard games in collection don't see any difference. Also Your behaviour is far away from be fair!!!BECAUSE IF KNOW WHAT NERVES COST THIS TROPHY YOU SHOULD SAVE THEM FROM EXPERIENCE FROM THIS!!!
Zera
- 9 years agoYes you right mate
.. Now can you tell us what part of it is actually hard ? The part where the time is being added (Lol) or the part where every cars aims to take you down (Lolz) no no the part where there ia trucks in the middle of the road ? The part where randoms comes to your face ? Please let us know! And why there is no ghost to follow your OWN time ? Dayum so many questions.... Not many answers right ? But dont worry EA_Tom, mabad I meant @Shadiociao , they won't fix it, regardless how much the community has been very quick (the next day xd) to show the inconsistencies of the game. I hope you'll have as much fun on the next NFS even if... Well... You know
.. Youre solo. - 9 years ago
I'll be playing the next NFS, and would be even if I couldn't unlock this trophy.
But as for needing luck with the traffic, there's nothing that states trophies and achievements can't be luck-based as well as difficult. Some of my most difficult trophies were based on luck. A trophy simply displays what you've achieved in a game - it's not something you're required to do to be able to enjoy yourself.
And I don't agree with doing this to save people from experiencing it. As I keep saying, there's nothing forcing anybody to get all golds in prestige. You can save yourself from experiencing it by just choosing not to do it. Achievements are a goal you set for yourself and there's no reward or incentive for doing so outside of that.
I'm sure they'll take all these criticisms on board for the next game. But the driving force behind the criticisms shouldn't be not being able to get an achievement.
- Anonymous9 years ago
No they yourself showe us bugs in this game.
Here is a example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGMCSxhY0Lk
Another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYX2_oGdDtY
Another with AI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6POX5MXXL8
The best got on PS4.
Tell me more about critism this game because couldn't get achievement, trophy. Are You understand what You read because i am afraid that can read but without understand. Also got more agruments got here and still think but should be done. Ok so play this game solo because this can happen. PC players are angry, both community are angry. Who wanna convince that they don't have right write? Everypost was constructive your arguements not and not even strong.
Zera
- 9 years agoNobody cares that it's an achievement mate. The problem is what the achievement is asking us to do in the environnement we given. It shouldn't have been an achievement in the first place, but there it is, and since it's here, we trying to ensure that it'll be more logical. Cauae right now I won't repeat myself. You got like 20 reasons why it's not logic but you can deny them for your own selfish purposes but then that discussion on my end is over. Because if you can't make the difference between hard and fake, then it's useless. Zerathel already told you, and you got 27 pages explaining more. The forum moderator virgo won't do nothing so by now if you telling otherwise, you know it's about yourself, and you shouldn't be there again.
- Anonymous9 years ago
He blames yourself on own wish. This is the most stupid suicide hahahaha. If you got strong arguments and I understand but You came here without any reason arguments. Talk * about trying with ridiculous bug in this game or give up. Did You read what You wrote because this is slap face own ego. This is stupid behaviour and never supposed that this possible. If You got strong arguments i can understand this but right sorry is too far understand anything what You wrote without in my opinion logic. About sells games. Next Year show this. Beause EA didn't realised that the same persons bought more games and those community was always with this company on bad or good when even all complain. We didn't. About small community. Statistic. Me Catalyst played right now on ps4 4k, Me played 228k. EA lost milion dollars like I said and this was only PS4. Didn't count this on Xbox but will be more and more because this behaviour was definetelly crossed the line and we only want proof that world don't functional like we can do whatever we want,You have to agree with this because we do good games.No right now others company also got good games and is fight for every customers. We only asked about patch,did solution for reasonable hard and everything was fine and will be fine. Right now they unmark topic so we got hope that will be patch
Zera
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