Re: NFS Heat Level 3+

I got to rep 30 in about 7 hours of play tho?

My point still stands you should not be going into these heats under prepared.

4 and 5 only just now started getting easy. Around 20 25 heat 3 was easy for me. Around 30.  4 around 40. 5. if people were not rushing into hi heats at low levels we would not be having this conversation. Heat 5 is a breeze at 300+ heat 3 ? Waaaay lower than that. Like 223 i was dealing with heat 3 cops.

Only heats 4 and 5 were issues. And i'm talking eash escapes. Chases are a test of speed and endurance. If your car is to slow and to weak (you don't have at least the 1st damage reduction and instant repair aux) you are not ready for more than 3.

Cops get hyper aggressive 4+ plus.

Obviously you did not read my "text wall" about what the actual problem is in the core AI design and why exactly they are so fast in straight line situation?

Buy design you are not supposed to be able to win hi heats till you build up to it. No progression. No hi heat success. Its why lower rep don't even take that much to rep 

Like i said if you aim for 1 rep a night like me. Thats 50 nights. Thats not that long. And in 7 to 10 hours i got to 50 with no issues. Because i saw the games systems and understood what i needed to succeed. 

Same as the most wanted M3.  if you thing you are gunna unlock that and easy win a heat 5 night with its stock part at the end of the game ? Also wrong.

View this game like an RPG and the heats different zones like Assassin creed odyssey. That performance level tells you alot about what you are currently safe to do. The cops just don't rank above their head. You gotta figure it out by playing.

@denimz01 

@Michael_Rush 

People are stuck in the glorious days of Most wanted 2005.

The thing ppl for get is this.

Most wanted's progression was 10 times slower than heat. 

At the very start up untill 25% of the game heat 3 finally unlock. And the game also brought in new cars new parts.

Around 50% heat 4 unlocked and the next big wave of cars parts anc internal upgrades.

Around 75% you got heat 5 and end game part that made the end game M3 06 look like a joke

The cops were never annoying or op because you was given the tools to deal with the heat unlocks............

In Heat, the heat locks are all gone and people are exposed to the mid/End game cops right off the bat if you push your luck to hard. And because ppl don't understand when enough is enough and are out matched, it's the games fault??????

Most wanted cops would of been exactly the same if the locks were off...... They pushed you around pinning you against the world like school bullies going slow at hi heats....... it's like doing MW heat 5 with 3 wheels. It's doable just EXTREMELY HARD. Thats heat in a nutshell 

People are blinded by these very facts because if they are not winning... Games broken. Ppl lack the common sense to solve a simple untold rule......

I guess exploit boosting is that fix for these ppl I guess.....

I agree they rubber band because of the busted diamond box formation AI  how ever most wanted hand that too if they got in front for a rolling block

But the rubber banding has limits like i explained in previous "text walls" 

Don't was your time reading them tho.... Because forms are not basically pages of text or anything...

The more you know 🤣 cool I'll just refer to it as the MW BM then

@Michael_Rush 

Trust me I was right there with you 🤣

It seems like trash when someone says. "slow down to go faster"

In this game progression It's fact (unless you use exploits)

Right now I'm am struggling with playing the game, as any car outside of the deluxe addition cars that you can't do anything too but engine upgrades, crash my game...... So i'm stuck to the K.S cars till a fix happens. It's not all cars but i'm not putting effort into any more when i may or may not be able to use it. Put 4 hours into a Nissan GTR livery. I can't get more than 10% in a race without the GTR crashing the game. Even at stock

Then i switch to my K.S Corvette. ? Not a single crash. Switch back to my GTR. Crash. It's a car related crash. So i'm not risking making another

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In Heat, the heat locks are all gone and people are exposed to the mid/End game cops right off the bat if you push your luck to hard. And because ppl don't understand when enough is enough and are out matched, it's the games fault??????

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The thing is - People do not understand how cops can catch you when youre going full speed and have no idea that youre done.

But I guess we just have to wait for some pay2slowdownthecops upgrades and microtransaction items))

@LightShark12 

No what will happen is cops will get nerfed into the ground.

The days of waiting to get chased will return and cop health will be like soggy toilet paper

Then people will get to the level where they should be constantly battling high heats then start moaning the cops are to easy and boring again. 

All i'm saying is you don't rank down and if the end game is boring with the cops when you over come that mid 20 rep area because EA nerfs them people have only them self the blame due their lack of patience.

As someone who has almost done everything there is to do now. I can tell you end game cops get stupidly easy to deal with and with how fast you actually rank up everyone here will see that before the month is out. 

I don't have a super car either. I have a Subaru Impreza. Very reliable car even in the end game. No problem with heat 5 escapes

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@LtNoelVermillion wrote:

@LightShark12 

No what will happen is cops will get nerfed into the ground.

The days of waiting to get chased will return and cop health will be like soggy toilet paper

Then people will get to the level where they should be constantly battling high heats then start moaning the cops are to easy and boring again. 

All i'm saying is you don't rank down and if the end game is boring with the cops when you over come that mid 20 rep area because EA nerfs them people have only them self the blame due their lack of patience.

As someone who has almost done everything there is to do now. I can tell you end game cops get stupidly easy to deal with and with how fast you actually rank up everyone here will see that before the month is out. 

I don't have a super car either. I have a Subaru Impreza. Very reliable car even in the end game. No problem with heat 5 escapes

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@LtNoelVermillion

If cops get nerfed all the way down, then I'm done with this game.Hope the guys at Ghost come to their senses & only will fix the rubberbanding ai.Pursuits are so beautiful this way, I hope EA will not ruin it because of crybabies.

I also don't have a supercar yet, just two cars M4 cabrio for races & cop chases and my starter 180SX as drift build.

TL;DR  JUST FIX THE RUBBERBAND/CATCH-UP ON COPS, NOTHING ELSE & WE'RE GOLDEN

Jesus for all the ranting people are doing here. It's really simple... 

I was thinking about buying Heat, as right now I am only playing it via Premier. And frankly, with how the game is in it's current state, I just find myself going "I'd rather be playing Forza Horizon 4." 

So I don't plan on having a swipe, or yelling at the dev's or anyone else here - I agree with Boo, they are correct in saying the BIGGEST killer of enjoyment is the rubberbanding, 600km/h cops that fly into you like kamikazi pilots from WW2. When I'm doing 300km/h and they fly up from over a kilometer behind me, then RAM me at double my speed cause of Rubber-banding, or they suddenly go "Oh, I want to be on top of your friend who I need to wreck for this story mission... UBER NOS!" and the next thing I know, it's 2k's down the road and already back on the 'friend' car in story mode? 

Sorry. I'm just going to say, simply, until you fix the fact cops are simply not fun, and are disobeying the game mechanics.... I will not recommend this game to anyone, nor will I purchase it: You have made vast improvements, this feels like the Underground / Underground 2 of old, mixed with TNFS and NFS: Hot Pursuit. Unfortunately, the police in this game are just frustrating and in no way a challenge - a challenge would imply a reasonably level playing field, not AI that would - if they were players - likely see themselves banned for exploits. 

So please, as a player who sincerely wanted to enjoy your game, but simply finds your rubber-banding AI (both Police and Racers) eternally frustrating as a mechanic... do something about it before your game ends up on the pile of trash NFS games like every other one since Underground 2: You have the makings of the best NFS in over a decade, but you are rapidly driving away the CORE players of your game especially if you listen to the few people going "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG YOU JUST NEED TO GET BETTER!", well no, no people don't need to just "get better", you need to address why people are disliking your game - and the vast majority are all saying the same thing: Rubberbanding is *. 

I know at least three other people who were excited for this game, everything I told them make them go "Alright awesome game..." until I explained I watched people in racers get 1km ahead of me, the next race - repeated - same cars, that same car was 10m behind me. Third race, it was 2km behind by the end. Same car. Same race. Same AI. Same Player Car - Rubberbanding / super speed all over the place in such outlandishly obvious ways. 

TLDR - Sorry, at present your game isn't enjoyable, and Forza Horizon 4, and the upcoming Forza Motorsport 8 are most likely FAR better choices for racing games then yours, unfortunately. 

If you guys spent even half as much time trying to improve your cars and make them faster, as opposed to complaining and whining, you'd be fine.

There are a lot of people not having any issues with the cops. There's just that select group of whiners that immediately run for the forums to complain when something isn't just handed to them. And now you're all running a herd mentality thinking everyone is struggling.

The game is easy and the cops are easy. You're just slow.

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@ColAvalanche311 wrote:

If you guys spent even half as much time trying to improve your cars and make them faster, as opposed to complaining and whining, you'd be fine.

There are a lot of people not having any issues with the cops. There's just that select group of whiners that immediately run for the forums to complain when something isn't just handed to them. And now you're all running a herd mentality thinking everyone is struggling.

The game is easy and the cops are easy. You're just slow.

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This.People try to be hero when dealing with cops.People who constantly whining in this topic say, they end up getting busted while they try 2 ram cops as in MW 2005 days.This game is about to outrun the cops not ram & destroying their cars.Trying to crash cop cars in this game only make things worse where you keep damaging your vehicle and force the police get reinforcements, ie more trouble for you to deal with which end up possible bust!

I was thinking police being too fast in many occassion until I buff my M4 cabrio & Countach which the latter has incredible accerelation even stock.

My only tip for chases is to get showcase tires, so you will have a subtle handling between grip & drift which leads an absolute advantege when luring cops to other direction where you sharply turned.

I'm currently level 23 and I just don't bother with Heat 3, as soon as I get to Heat 2 I just go back to a safe house and reset. The risk just isn't worth it, my car is at 310 and can't out run Heat 3 cops, they seem to just instantly catch up and overtake regardless and I'd rather not lose money and the rep multiplier. 

Just keep racing in the night in small increment steps. Then get the damage reduction and the repair kit the first chance you'll get.
You'll be able to take on Heat level 3 most of the time, WHEN using jumps. So make sure to memorise some.
Then just keep racing at night in the same manner, small but progressive. Do NOT get tempted to go after the special Heat race level 3 at this point, it has no use. You don't unlock any special ultimate parts until you reach Rep 50. -__- I found out the hard way.
It's only when you get all your parts upgraded to the max AND bought the orange damage reduction and repair kit (x2 times repair!!) that you can take on Heat level 4 and 5. And do the special Heat races.

Why? Because the game is unbalanced as hell. With all parts maxed, and the above passive and active upgrades it becomes very easy: 
1) You'll outrun the cops in most cases under level 4. No wonder, half of the time you don't even know how you are surviving at those amazing high speeds. 
2) They'll still hit you at other times, but hey, you got a "high" armored vehicle now and if you are lucky, 5 repairs in one night. 
3) Couple that with jumps and you are safe. 


So there is a whole "gap" where the game is getting hard as nails because you are underpowered for level 3,4 and 5. Then you get a liiiitle bit of shelter from level 3 if you know what you are doing. And that's it for a "long period" (feels like it anyway, unless you grind that Rep with special methods) of time. And then it quickly jumps to the other side of the scale and you are left wondering if the game just laughed in your face.
At level 43, and only then, I finally got some grip on the night modus of the game because of the parts that started unlocking.

Nuts I tell you. This game had such potential, now there are so many things to balance (and fix, but balancing will be the hardest part) that this game will probably die a silent death.

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@ColAvalanche311 wrote:

If you guys spent even half as much time trying to improve your cars and make them faster, as opposed to complaining and whining, you'd be fine.

There are a lot of people not having any issues with the cops. There's just that select group of whiners that immediately run for the forums to complain when something isn't just handed to them. And now you're all running a herd mentality thinking everyone is struggling.

The game is easy and the cops are easy. You're just slow.

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Any tips on how I can improve my car so that I can easily escape from heat level 3 cops without abusing jumps and parking garage? I want to use my memory for more important things than memorizing every jump in racing game.

@Sephrax 

Says the guy who says the cops are easy to avoid.

Your really out of touch with what the community has been reported.

Glad your Trainer made it easy to erase the cops chases for you.

However real races have to grind hard to level up and work extra hard to avoid the 5.0 cops.

Thanks for your humor. ☑️🥶

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@BLVD69 wrote:

@Sephrax 

Says the guy who says the cops are easy to avoid.

Your really out of touch with what the community has been reported.

Glad your Trainer made it easy to erase the cops chases for you.

However real races have to grind hard to level up and work extra hard to avoid the 5.0 cops.

Thanks for your humor. ☑️🥶

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Where did I say avoiding cops is easy? Do you know how many times I've been caught by them while trying to sneak to high heat races?

You can get to rep level 50 without getting chased, ever.

Speed camera at race track. Drive around race track and hit that camera every lap. When you hear anything in police radio stop at either of turns and turn off your engine. Just idle until they give up and repeat. There is low chance that game will spawn cop car right next to you when you hit camera. There's just nothing you can do about it other than trying to outrun him on main straight.

Just use any car that can reach high top speeds and has high acceleration.

Trainer on console? Good one. Hahaha

We're lucky that we get mods in some games like Fallout 4 and Farming Simulator 19.

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@Sephrax wrote:

Any tips on how I can improve my car so that I can easily escape from heat level 3 cops without abusing jumps and parking garage? I want to use my memory for more important things than memorizing every jump in racing game.

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Right off the bat, I think you should use "Damage Reduction" instead of the radar jam (I don't even know what the jammer actually does). With the Elite perk, your car will have nearly 3x as much health. Otherwise the set up looks good, as long as your suspension, differential, and tires are on the Track/Race spec. For the primary perk, I usually use the Elite Nitrous Refill, but I rarely ever use any Nitrous in the night mode.

As to getting away, I never find myself needing to revert to jumps or this mentioned parking garage haha :P. As long as you can gain a few seconds here and there, you should be more than fine just swerving through roads, taking quick cuts through fields/forests, and generally just trying to take as many turns as you can to lose visibility of them on longer stretches of road. 

At Heat 5, the Rhino charging at you can also be used to knock out a few cops chasing you, as long as you time your dodging of the truck. 

@Sephrax 

OK, so that's your trick to avoid the cops ...well I'm on PC bud! 

Come over to the PC version VS your Console Version.

Sorry also because you didn't post you were on a console in your original post I read.

Now knowing this explains why you might have been to avoid cops....not the same on PC they are vicious!

Have a good day and to make it up to you gave you some XP for your headache. LOL

Have a good day.

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@ColAvalanche311 wrote:

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@Sephrax wrote:

Any tips on how I can improve my car so that I can easily escape from heat level 3 cops without abusing jumps and parking garage? I want to use my memory for more important things than memorizing every jump in racing game.

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Right off the bat, I think you should use "Damage Reduction" instead of the radar jam (I don't even know what the jammer actually does). With the Elite perk, your car will have nearly 3x as much health. Otherwise the set up looks good, as long as your suspension, differential, and tires are on the Track/Race spec. For the primary perk, I usually use the Elite Nitrous Refill, but I rarely ever use any Nitrous in the night mode.

As to getting away, I never find myself needing to revert to jumps or this mentioned parking garage haha :P. As long as you can gain a few seconds here and there, you should be more than fine just swerving through roads, taking quick cuts through fields/forests, and generally just trying to take as many turns as you can to lose visibility of them on longer stretches of road. 

At Heat 5, the Rhino charging at you can also be used to knock out a few cops chasing you, as long as you time your dodging of the truck. 

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I already switched it to DR. It was just filler because it was only elite passive I had at that momemt and didn't want to waste money on it. I have been grinding money and tried to find fun cars to drive because there's not much else for me in this game. I have only managed to sneak into one level 5 race and I got busted after very long chase. Other 6 (3 with this car) attemps to get to either one of high heat races have failed.

Well, I got ultimate 15lb nitrous which isn't best but hey, at least I got ultimate part.

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@Sephrax wrote:

Well, I got ultimate 15lb nitrous which isn't best but hey, at least I got ultimate part.

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15lb nitrous is the way to go.

@ColAvalanche311It's too long for most races. It also takes 1 hour to refill. And cops laugh at it when they accelerate faster than Evo IX.