Is anything being done about Truculence?

@EA_Aljo 

Is truculence in 3v3 Eashl even on the devs radar? Are they happy with it the way it is? I honestly just really want to know whether to just drop the game and move on for the year, and if it’s not getting fixed thats the decision made for me

I totally agree that truculence is ridiculously OP, but I also dont think I want to find out how awful defense would be without it. As it is now with the L2ing and being able to turn away from hits, without truculence you wouldnt be able to stop anyone. 

This x factor crap is so bad and ruins the game, but its everywhere so they are likely going to keep forcing it down our throats. 

I also completely agree with all the comparisons to how OP it is compared to poke checks and stick lifts(auto penalty). Poke checks are only effective a small percentage of the time due to how perfect it needs to be coupled with the fact that people just keep control of the puck even when it is poked quite often, and if they dont it probably goes right to their teammate in stride. That coupled with the fact that theyve removed all hitting penalties from 3's which is still a horrendous decision that just further promoted running around mindlessly hitting people. 

This game is horrendously balanced

@mikeq67 

I agree without truculence, playing D would be a nightmare as it currently sits in NHL 23. That  being said, that’s on EA to balance stick checking to the point that it’s not the case. Right now there literally is no balance in NHL 23, so I’m not holding my breath 

Whoever honestly made the decision to take checking penalties out of 3v3, when it’s not being actually deemed an “arcade mode” which is what 3s eliminator is for, should honestly be fired, and/or never be taken seriously again when bringing an opinion forward at EA. 

I woud say, problem is, that Truculence gives you more time to do a late hit. Puck was already played but late hit comes to smash player down to the ice. I would say, implementation of truculence is bad. Yes, sure, you can do big hits with it, but late hits should not be allowed, thats a penalty for sure. 

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@TITAN_NHL wrote:

@mikeq67 

I agree without truculence, playing D would be a nightmare as it currently sits in NHL 23. That  being said, that’s on EA to balance stick checking to the point that it’s not the case. Right now there literally is no balance in NHL 23, so I’m not holding my breath 

Whoever honestly made the decision to take checking penalties out of 3v3, when it’s not being actually deemed an “arcade mode” which is what 3s eliminator is for, should honestly be fired, and/or never be taken seriously again when bringing an opinion forward at EA. 

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Hitting is pretty much the only effective defensive tool we have left, and without truculence its pretty inconsistent. That said, assuming what folks are saying is true about late hits, and other non-calls happening. I am totally OK with pens being enforced as they should

@IAmAchievedTell your D-men stop giving you suicide passes, dump the puck, skate in any direction other than a straight line, or have your forward partner near you to take the puck after the hit or near to receive a touch pass after you get hit. Not that hard to avoid someone with Truck if you know they're sitting on the blue line waiting for you, lol.

@IceLion68The hilarious thing is that hitting isn't even defense. It's an all-or-nothing play that takes you out of position. And you never see it in real 3v3 in the NHL because it would almost always result in the player ending up in Narnia.

@IAmAchieved 

Exactly where my thoughts are at. Ah well too many good games coming out in the next bit to continue to waste time with this one 

@Deeboo_91 

This guy clearly doesn’t play the mode… 

@Deeboo_91Lmfao if it was that easy no one would use truculence. The hit assist on it is just completely unnecessary. And it’s bold of you to assume that I don’t do that lmfao. But ignore the late hits after I already passed the puck and here comes the meat head with truculence smashing me taking all my stamina even though I already done passed the puck or dumped it. I didn’t even ask to nerf the trait either so you’re just talking to talk, I asked for them to add penalties and that will stop all the cornball meat head 6’6 enforcers or power forwards to stop trying to cheese that trait when they know they can actually cost them a game with a charge or boarding. My teammate and I are top 50 in points and a top 50 club it’s not hard to beat them it’s just a nuisance that they break 3s because of the late hits that lead to breakaways

@Deeboo_91 

It’s 2 options, either you don’t play 3s at all, or your well below average at it and ignorant to the real fact of what makes it OP. I’m leaning towards the ignorance side of things so let me explain it to you again. 

You continue to say pass the puck faster, or dump it… Yet you’re missing the fact that every time you pass the puck, you’re getting blasted 2-3 seconds later, which means you’re taken out of the play… a GOOD truculence team will ensure that at least 1 member of your team is on the ice at all times, which means you’re essentially shorthanded all game long and don’t have that person as an option to pass to anymore because they are on the ice….

The “pass faster” mentality would work if goon builds were realistic and not only a 5% speed difference from tiny snipers and danglers in skating attributes, and there was no 3 second hitting window after someone moves the puck. That skating speed allows these builds to always be within that 2-3 second window of hitting someone.

You’re essentially telling people to play around the fact it’s broken,, when you simply can’t, and if you think you can, again I’ll be willing to challenge anyone in here with my full truculence team against your small build team and we can see how it goes if you need clarity. 

@IAmAchieved

I figured this whole thing would devolve into questioning a players skill (especially a defensive player) because they're using a perk that has you raging because it's just annoying to you. You'll deal. Everyone playing the game right now is dealing. I personally love Truck, since it's annoying to me that puck separation is nearly impossible without it. It's extremely satisfying to lay out LTing players in 3's, 5's, and 6's. However, not only are you questioning my skill, you're basically asking me to play defense in '23 with two buttons, both which are quite broken with multiple discussions across gaming forums at how broken they are. Is this is what it's come down to? Really?

Looking at my highlighted stats here, clearly using Truck to average 2.4 hits a game completely carried me. I'm such a goon. I suck. I'm sorry.

Even among D-men within the same games played range as me (Top guy here having 730 GP and the lowest having 659, and me having 701 GP), I'm in the bottom 3 of hitters. In the Top 100 list where it's based off points in 5's and 6's clubs, I ranked 30 among D-men. Within that ranking I was 79th in hitting. 

And let's not even talk about the top tier of hitters among D-men.

Here's to hoping you run into more unskilled players like me with Truculence. It's the only way you're going to get better and adapt like everyone else has to adapt to all the little quirks this game throws, both offense and defense. No worries.

Bonus for you. There are guys that have played in the actual NHL that have had more hits in less games than what I've played in 22, in what you deem a hit fest. =p

@Deeboo_91 

Thank you for posting this to further clarify you don’t have a foot to stand on in this debate… let me break down some of the ways you went wrong here…

First of all nobody is saying truculence is OP in 5s/6s… we are saying it’s OP in 3s because there’s no checking penalties, which clearly you don’t play, considering the stats you provided aren’t from 3s… you have 374 PIMS in 701 GP, and being that it’s showing your shorthanded goals (8), and Powerplay goals (19) which equates to 27 of your 91 total goals for being on special teams that don’t exist in 3s. You also only average 1.4 points per game on D, where if this was 3v3 play is extremely below average.

You then further contradict your story by showing the “top hitters” in the game being at 10+ hits per game, then sit there a paragraph later justifying truculence by saying real life NHLers put up similar numbers. Then provide a list where pretty much every single one of those “best NHL hitters” average 3 hits a game, this means that by rights, in EAs version of NHL with the 10+ hits per game players are getting, is over 3x more hitting than what happens in the real NHL, by the best hitters in the league…

To further clarify how wrong you are, that’s 3 hits a game those NHLers average that you listed, where they are also playing against full even strength teams where there is not only more players on the ice to hit when compared to a 3v3 situation, but, Jake Muzzin for example, averaged over 16 mins of ToA a game last year. EA uses 4 min periods, which means even though you’re playing the entire game, that works out to 12 minutes worth of playtime through 3 periods, which means you’re getting over 3x the amount of hits that the best hitters in the NHL average a game, with what is technically less ice time per game… 

You really need to stop commenting about things that you clearly don’t understand 

@TITAN_NHLI posted stats from my 5's and 6's to address that not all people who use Truck are goons, and is needed in the hands of skilled D-men to combat skilled forwards you'll find at the top across all modes, because that's who I usually wind up playing. You called me out on my skill and I backed it up with numbers.

This is what you said in the OP:

"Tone down the hit assistance it gives you, add a speed penalty for just holding up on the right stick like a monkey, and add boarding and charging penalties to 3s and you fix this broken mess, it’s not hard guys…"

You keep yelling 3's (which is easy mode to avoid Truck anyway with so much ice), but are advocating for a nerf that will affect D-men the most on all modes because you can't seem to avoid PF's and DD's in one mode. You want to kill hitting assistance AND slow down already slowed defensive tools for players that have to handle 90+ zoom-zoom forwards with a poke that makes your skates concrete. A DDS that's hardly a tool. A stick-lift that's a penalty magnet. Even connecting with hits in 3's takes that player out of the play because of the follow-through. The icing on the cake is that you want to make those big hits penalties for 23732984 penalty shots a game. I might be going out on a limb here, but 3's is as it is for the arcady, quick flow.

When you play 3's you're signing off on a faster, ballerina-esque, arcade version of EASHL. Instead of shouting from the heavens to nerf Truck, how about you advocate to put players back in the penalty box, vice penalty shots. I can't even believe I'm still arguing this point, because 3's is so easy that I can eek out a winning record each year in this game as a D-man in 3's drops with no communication, randos, while barely breaking a sweat. 3's club is even easier because players are very predictable. More predictable than drop-ins, and with a mic, communications for plays are easier.

I shouldn't have to keep adapting to a game that destroys defense each year because you don't want to, and instead of getting better like most people in this game (including myself who has already adapted), all you want to do is nerf this and nerf that. Lol.

No.