I believe a community is only as toxic as the environment the developers create. Currently NOTHING is done for any toxic in game behaviors. EA also just says there is nothing they can do..we have players that go up by a goal and immediately run behind their net and try to kill off the rest of the game. So you can either quit the game if you want to play hockey or just wait out the next 40 minutes to play another game. Unbelievable to me that nothing is done about this..We have players choose to play goalie just to leave the net and get penalties/ allow goals.. so you can either quit.. or wait 40 minutes because the game will kick you for poor play FAR sooner than they will kick the goalie.We have skaters that will go offsides and stand there, players that will purposefully keep getting penalties, players that call for the puck from cpu players and try to own goal. I know some of the mods say they play this game.. but if you do.. how are you not sick of this to the point you tell the developers something needs done.. again, this is another reason people don't beleive you play the game. It's THE most toxic community of any game I've ever played. NBA 2K is bad but this takes the cake and then some.

There's a pretty straightforward way they could fix the ragging problem, but I don't think they'd ever implement it: make puck control more realistic.There's a reason why real NHL players don't try to dipsy-doodle the puck behind and around their own net if they can avoid it. It's way too risky. It's so easy for even a single forechecker to strip a player of the puck. But in EA NHL you can twist and turn and skate right into opponents and never really have to worry about losing the puck. Heck you can skate right into the boards and not lose the puck ( and I'm not talking about pinning either ) with full ability to spin out in either direction quickly while maintaining complete control of the puck.Ragging would end pretty quickly if players could lose control of the puck on the boards or the net. Or if the forechecker had a more realistic chance of separating the puck carrier from the puck. Or even if sticks would no longer be able to phase through players and other sticks.But I don't expect this to ever make it into the game. People have become used to a certain unrealistic level of puck control, and given the limits to how much control we have over our player's stick some unrealistic things are probably a necessary evil. I would imagine making these type of changes would end up being unpopular in general.

@rsandersr47 wrote:we have players that go up by a goal and immediately run behind their net and try to kill off the rest of the game. So you can either quit the game if you want to play hockey or just wait out the next 40 minutes to play another game. Unbelievable to me that nothing is done about this..What should they do, exactly? I'm with you - the idea that someone can just go up a goal and play keep-away the rest of the game is infuriating. But I can't think of anything reasonable that EA could implement that wouldn't have a negative, artificial impact. I've seen some suggest players holding the puck too long in their own zone should slip and fall. Good in theory, but what happens when you have to re-try a breakout a few times because your opponent has a solid forecheck? Do we really want a "pass clock" on offense where we need to get a pass off of our stick out of our own zone under a certain period of time before our player loses his/her wheels?Another suggestion I've seen is a decline in puck control, passing, acceleration and skating agility attributes of the player in possession of the puck for every second the puck is held behind your own net. Once the puck leaves the zone, the players' ratings get reset. Think of it like the player being 'injured' after they rag the puck too long and their ability to make a clean exit is diminished until they exit the zone. @rsandersr47 wrote:We have players choose to play goalie just to leave the net and get penalties/ allow goals.. so you can either quit.. or wait 40 minutes because the game will kick you for poor play FAR sooner than they will kick the goalie.In-game vote-to-kick. EA refuses to implement this because they think it will be 'abused' - despite being given clear suggestions and examples on how to do it properly and how AAA multiplayer titles handle it without issue now. But they'll let people abuse the report-a-team function....Furthermore, implement REAL penalties for quitting. You should lose massive RP for quitting, and you should also take a hit to your player level.If you're a P3 | lvl42 and you quit a game, it should automatically knock you down to P3 | lvl41 and you should lose any upgrades you acquired for reaching P3|lvl42 until you regain the lost RP.EA will take hard virtuous stances on edgy teenagers trolling with stupid player and team names, but when it comes to the actual experience of players trying to play their product and enjoy the sport of hockey without being bogged down, disappointed and otherwise disgusted with in-game tactics of the same trolls, they're indifferent. @rsandersr47 wrote:I know some of the mods say they play this game.. but if you do.. how are you not sick of this to the point you tell the developers something needs done.. again, this is another reason people don't beleive you play the game. It's THE most toxic community of any game I've ever played. NBA 2K is bad but this takes the cake and then some.I don't deny that the mods here actually play the game. Their insight in some threads can only come from someone who has spent considerable time with the game.That being said, I think they play a lot of club games and don't spend much time in drop-ins. In fact, I think I've seen other threads that have the same complaints about drop-ins and the mods will suggest playing with friends on a club. It's not a bad suggestion and playing club games with people you know is 1000% better than drop-ins. However, ignoring the state of drop-ins and continuously allowing trolls to dominate the mode does nothing but discourage non-club people from playing World of Chel entirely.I'm going to use this opportunity to bring up an old idea I've had for drop-ins/club games. Being able to play 6v6 with a club who just needs a free agent to fill their 6 spots would be a gamechanger for drop-ins. Being able to drop-in to a club game and attempt to impress them so they keep you full time would be such a breath of fresh air for the drop-in mode.

@PlayoffError wrote:There's a pretty straightforward way they could fix the ragging problem, but I don't think they'd ever implement it: make puck control more realistic.There's a reason why real NHL players don't try to dipsy-doodle the puck behind and around their own net if they can avoid it. It's way too risky. It's so easy for even a single forechecker to strip a player of the puck. But in EA NHL you can twist and turn and skate right into opponents and never really have to worry about losing the puck. Heck you can skate right into the boards and not lose the puck ( and I'm not talking about pinning either ) with full ability to spin out in either direction quickly while maintaining complete control of the puck.Ragging would end pretty quickly if players could lose control of the puck on the boards or the net. Or if the forechecker had a more realistic chance of separating the puck carrier from the puck. Or even if sticks would no longer be able to phase through players and other sticks.But I don't expect this to ever make it into the game. People have become used to a certain unrealistic level of puck control, and given the limits to how much control we have over our player's stick some unrealistic things are probably a necessary evil. I would imagine making these type of changes would end up being unpopular in general.100% agree with this. The board play when a player is in motion is very unrealistic. Their stick often ends up glitching through the boards and they don't even lose puck possession. That or they use the glide glitch when entering the offensive zone and pin the puck into the boards, again, glitching the stick through the boards... so you can't stick check them. You also can't hit them as it ends in a boarding penalty. If you try to pin them into the boards, it doesn't work half the time either. Realistic puck possession needs to be implemented. As well as the option to play the body and hem a player into the boards as it happens in real hockey a lot when entering the offensive zone. Which is why an offensive play to avoid that is to dump the puck in after the redline... 99% of the player base doesn't flip or dump pucks. They just cheese and rag the puck in the neutral zone into they can glide in. It's really goofy looking.

You dont even have to be good, to know how to rag.'Anyone' can learn how to destroy a game, without being particularly good.It would take a really superior team, IRL, to manage to rag the puck from the opponent, the same way you do in the game.But if the match-making is working as it suppose to and you match up against an equally skilled opponent, that should be enough to make ragging more or less impossible to succeed with.It's frustration having to feel like a 10 year old boy chasin around for his cap when the opponent is exactly the same size and age.But ofc, if my rank was ~ 5000 in the world playing against a top 10 guy, that should be a whole nother story.But thats not reality in this game, 'same skilled guys' sometimes even worst skilled guys is able to destroy a whole game just by playing cat and mouse games.Something is definitely not right when this behavior/or problem is so widespread.The puck should be more like a 'soap' to handle then like a magnet.The ice need to feel more like ice do, and deaking need to feel more like deaking do.That would even the odds.

I have no doubt in my mind that they can program the game to tell when a player has decided to lay down on the ice in the offensive zone preventing anyone from taking the puck in or it's offsides. If your player is offsides 10 times in a 2 minute time period, the game should be able to kick them. Same with goalies...if the goalie leaves the net and skates around while the play is going on, they should be kicked. Taking your 5th interference penalty in the first period? Kicked.The game can monitor a hundred different stats and events, so I refuse to believe that they can't monitor gameplay the same way and deal with the in-game trolling that goes on. Thing is, we've been beating this dead horse for years, and we get the same response every time. It's beyond frustrating.

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KidShowtime1867
Hero
3 years ago
@rsandersr47 wrote:
we have players that go up by a goal and immediately run behind their net and try to kill off the rest of the game. So you can either quit the game if you want to play hockey or just wait out the next 40 minutes to play another game. Unbelievable to me that nothing is done about this..
What should they do, exactly? I'm with you - the idea that someone can just go up a goal and play keep-away the rest of the game is infuriating. But I can't think of anything reasonable that EA could implement that wouldn't have a negative, artificial impact.
I've seen some suggest players holding the puck too long in their own zone should slip and fall. Good in theory, but what happens when you have to re-try a breakout a few times because your opponent has a solid forecheck? Do we really want a "pass clock" on offense where we need to get a pass off of our stick out of our own zone under a certain period of time before our player loses his/her wheels?
Another suggestion I've seen is a decline in puck control, passing, acceleration and skating agility attributes of the player in possession of the puck for every second the puck is held behind your own net. Once the puck leaves the zone, the players' ratings get reset. Think of it like the player being 'injured' after they rag the puck too long and their ability to make a clean exit is diminished until they exit the zone.
@rsandersr47 wrote:
We have players choose to play goalie just to leave the net and get penalties/ allow goals.. so you can either quit.. or wait 40 minutes because the game will kick you for poor play FAR sooner than they will kick the goalie.
In-game vote-to-kick. EA refuses to implement this because they think it will be 'abused' - despite being given clear suggestions and examples on how to do it properly and how AAA multiplayer titles handle it without issue now. But they'll let people abuse the report-a-team function....
Furthermore, implement REAL penalties for quitting. You should lose massive RP for quitting, and you should also take a hit to your player level.
If you're a P3 | lvl42 and you quit a game, it should automatically knock you down to P3 | lvl41 and you should lose any upgrades you acquired for reaching P3|lvl42 until you regain the lost RP.
EA will take hard virtuous stances on edgy teenagers trolling with stupid player and team names, but when it comes to the actual experience of players trying to play their product and enjoy the sport of hockey without being bogged down, disappointed and otherwise disgusted with in-game tactics of the same trolls, they're indifferent.
@rsandersr47 wrote:
I know some of the mods say they play this game.. but if you do.. how are you not sick of this to the point you tell the developers something needs done.. again, this is another reason people don't beleive you play the game. It's THE most toxic community of any game I've ever played. NBA 2K is bad but this takes the cake and then some.
I don't deny that the mods here actually play the game. Their insight in some threads can only come from someone who has spent considerable time with the game.
That being said, I think they play a lot of club games and don't spend much time in drop-ins. In fact, I think I've seen other threads that have the same complaints about drop-ins and the mods will suggest playing with friends on a club.
It's not a bad suggestion and playing club games with people you know is 1000% better than drop-ins.
However, ignoring the state of drop-ins and continuously allowing trolls to dominate the mode does nothing but discourage non-club people from playing World of Chel entirely.
I'm going to use this opportunity to bring up an old idea I've had for drop-ins/club games. Being able to play 6v6 with a club who just needs a free agent to fill their 6 spots would be a gamechanger for drop-ins. Being able to drop-in to a club game and attempt to impress them so they keep you full time would be such a breath of fresh air for the drop-in mode.
EA_Aljo
Community Manager
3 years ago
Hey there, @rsandersr47

Believe me. I am sick of it. It's unfortunate that people choose to play this way. It's the main reason why I rarely play drop-ins. I would love to see stronger punishments or stricter guidelines to kick people griefing from games. There was a change added to try to help combat ragging. Your speed gets reduced when hanging on to the puck in your own end. Hopefully, we'll see other changes as well. At this time, I don't have any details though. I'll pass your feedback on to the team. Thank you.
n2518qgzyhxw
3 years ago
@rsandersr47 drop inns is a joke.
If 2 guys can play 6's. One guy should be able to play 3's.
PlayoffError
Hero
3 years ago
There's a pretty straightforward way they could fix the ragging problem, but I don't think they'd ever implement it: make puck control more realistic.
There's a reason why real NHL players don't try to dipsy-doodle the puck behind and around their own net if they can avoid it. It's way too risky. It's so easy for even a single forechecker to strip a player of the puck. But in EA NHL you can twist and turn and skate right into opponents and never really have to worry about losing the puck. Heck you can skate right into the boards and not lose the puck ( and I'm not talking about pinning either ) with full ability to spin out in either direction quickly while maintaining complete control of the puck.
Ragging would end pretty quickly if players could lose control of the puck on the boards or the net. Or if the forechecker had a more realistic chance of separating the puck carrier from the puck. Or even if sticks would no longer be able to phase through players and other sticks.
But I don't expect this to ever make it into the game. People have become used to a certain unrealistic level of puck control, and given the limits to how much control we have over our player's stick some unrealistic things are probably a necessary evil. I would imagine making these type of changes would end up being unpopular in general.
bruanor09
Seasoned Veteran
3 years ago
@PlayoffError the most important thing is that these settings are built into the game
game sliders
puck loss when touching the board
puck loss when touching, stick, skates, body

athletic acceleration
NihilistWolfe
3 years ago
@PlayoffError wrote:
There's a pretty straightforward way they could fix the ragging problem, but I don't think they'd ever implement it: make puck control more realistic.
There's a reason why real NHL players don't try to dipsy-doodle the puck behind and around their own net if they can avoid it. It's way too risky. It's so easy for even a single forechecker to strip a player of the puck. But in EA NHL you can twist and turn and skate right into opponents and never really have to worry about losing the puck. Heck you can skate right into the boards and not lose the puck ( and I'm not talking about pinning either ) with full ability to spin out in either direction quickly while maintaining complete control of the puck.
Ragging would end pretty quickly if players could lose control of the puck on the boards or the net. Or if the forechecker had a more realistic chance of separating the puck carrier from the puck. Or even if sticks would no longer be able to phase through players and other sticks.
But I don't expect this to ever make it into the game. People have become used to a certain unrealistic level of puck control, and given the limits to how much control we have over our player's stick some unrealistic things are probably a necessary evil. I would imagine making these type of changes would end up being unpopular in general.
100% agree with this. The board play when a player is in motion is very unrealistic. Their stick often ends up glitching through the boards and they don't even lose puck possession. That or they use the glide glitch when entering the offensive zone and pin the puck into the boards, again, glitching the stick through the boards... so you can't stick check them. You also can't hit them as it ends in a boarding penalty. If you try to pin them into the boards, it doesn't work half the time either.
Realistic puck possession needs to be implemented. As well as the option to play the body and hem a player into the boards as it happens in real hockey a lot when entering the offensive zone. Which is why an offensive play to avoid that is to dump the puck in after the redline... 99% of the player base doesn't flip or dump pucks. They just cheese and rag the puck in the neutral zone into they can glide in. It's really goofy looking.
Sega82mega
3 years ago
You dont even have to be good, to know how to rag.

'Anyone' can learn how to destroy a game, without being particularly good.

It would take a really superior team, IRL, to manage to rag the puck from the opponent, the same way you do in the game.

But if the match-making is working as it suppose to and you match up against an equally skilled opponent, that should be enough to make ragging more or less impossible to succeed with.

It's frustration having to feel like a 10 year old boy chasin around for his cap when the opponent is exactly the same size and age.

But ofc, if my rank was ~ 5000 in the world playing against a top 10 guy, that should be a whole nother story.

But thats not reality in this game, 'same skilled guys' sometimes even worst skilled guys is able to destroy a whole game just by playing cat and mouse games.

Something is definitely not right when this behavior/or problem is so widespread.

The puck should be more like a 'soap' to handle then like a magnet.

The ice need to feel more like ice do, and deaking need to feel more like deaking do.

That would even the odds.
TTZ_Dipsy
Hero+
3 years ago
Unfortunately, there needs to be a little bit of wiggle room in regards to board/net/stick/puck collision physics to keep the game running smooth (not that things couldn't be improved, of course). You could make the puck just suddenly stop if it hits something but they already spent the time adding that self-pass behind the net and stuff so I think it would be better to add more ways to deke so it's not all a waste.
KtuluStrangiato
3 years ago
https://youtu.be/tZlfPKxLHBQ
Rated E for everyone?
PS
trollingstoned says hi
kezz123
New Veteran
3 years ago
Oh the community very much represents this game well and what it has fallen to.
I have posted for about 2 years now how they refuse to take action against stuff like black guys with blond / grey hairs, #69 and all the racist and toxic names. Its just a cesspool of grossness who hang out in this game.