NHL 24 AI Feedback
I cannot stand the control play, the new plays, the players don’t even get the dam puck when it’s right in front of them, the computers don’t even make defensive plays at all in the attacking zone, I...
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@6hpy2hzsfzas wrote:Nice try but AI players are not controlled by the us, therefore we only control one player at a time so if the other 5 (including the goalie) plays poorly. There's not much we can do about it. You can resist for a while, but not an entire game.
The way you play will influence the decisions your a.i. makes. For example; if the player you're controlling is a defenceman and you decide to try a deep forecheck with that player - an a.i. forward with less defensive IQ will takeover that position. They will not cover players the way your defender would've.
This happens ad nauseum countless times per game. This is why you will see much more success when you know the players on your team and what position they should be playing in. So when you do take control of them in those frantic situations, you know where that player should be, and you know when to switch control to another player so as not to disrupt the coverage.
That's why some people will see the a.i. do crazy things while others seemingly don't have an issue getting their a.i. in place for executing the plays they want.
So you do have some control over the a.i. I'm not saying it's perfect. There are still issues. but you can mitigate those by being cognisant of who you're controlling and where they should be.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@6hpy2hzsfzas wrote:Nice try but AI players are not controlled by the us, therefore we only control one player at a time so if the other 5 (including the goalie) plays poorly. There's not much we can do about it. You can resist for a while, but not an entire game.
The way you play will influence the decisions your a.i. makes. For example; if the player you're controlling is a defenceman and you decide to try a deep forecheck with that player - an a.i. forward with less defensive IQ will takeover that position. They will not cover players the way your defender would've.
This happens ad nauseum countless times per game. This is why you will see much more success when you know the players on your team and what position they should be playing in. So when you do take control of them in those frantic situations, you know where that player should be, and you know when to switch control to another player so as not to disrupt the coverage.
That's why some people will see the a.i. do crazy things while others seemingly don't have an issue getting their a.i. in place for executing the plays they want.
So you do have some control over the a.i. I'm not saying it's perfect. There are still issues. but you can mitigate those by being cognisant of who you're controlling and where they should be.
the ai arent even programmed to play hockey...how can you read the play? how can you define where they should be when the base strategies are all wrong lol? theres no correct AI positioning present in this series for any modern hockey concept...telling someone to read the play is like telling someone to read wingdings fluently
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:the ai arent even programmed to play hockey...how can you read the play? how can you define where they should be when the base strategies are all wrong lol? theres no correct AI positioning present in this series for any modern hockey concept...telling someone to read the play is like telling someone to read wingdings fluently
Here, I take control of 55 in the bottom-right. I do this to block the outlet pass but also to let my a.i. work. I KNOW that I'm in the proper position and that my a.i. will become agressive due to the strategies I've set.
So I do two things here; cut off the pass and use my a.i. to pressure the puck carrier, which is exactly what they're programmed to do in this scenario. A straight up hockey play, perfectly executed by the A.I. And look at #81! Cutting off another potential pass. How does an a.i. 'not even programmed to play hockey' make plays like this? random? By chance?
and just before we get all "well this doesn't work against skilled opponents" - this opponent had a 600+CR, ranked in the top 200. And yes, I lost this game lol
The best AI disaster is playing 3v3 and calling for a pass from the AI. If your on your own half of the ice the AI will throw the puck backwards for no reason when calling for the puck. Even if you’re in front of them. It has been this way since NHL23 and no one has addressed it. I’ll get some video because it’s quite annoying. Only solution is to not manually ask for a pass from computer until you cross the red line.
@Victavius7 wrote:The best AI disaster is playing 3v3 and calling for a pass from the AI. If your on your own half of the ice the AI will throw the puck backwards for no reason when calling for the puck. Even if you’re in front of them. It has been this way since NHL23 and no one has addressed it. I’ll get some video because it’s quite annoying. Only solution is to not manually ask for a pass from computer until you cross the red line.
Honestly - never call for the pass from the a.i. They will hit you with a pass without prompting them, in stride, if you're open. You just need to maintain a consistent route while skating. They'll even bank pass if there's a player in the way.
However, if you're blazing with speed and mashing hustle through the neutral zone, the a.i. is less apt to pass to you because you're likely going to go offside.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:the ai arent even programmed to play hockey...how can you read the play? how can you define where they should be when the base strategies are all wrong lol? theres no correct AI positioning present in this series for any modern hockey concept...telling someone to read the play is like telling someone to read wingdings fluently
Here, I take control of 55 in the bottom-right. I do this to block the outlet pass but also to let my a.i. work. I KNOW that I'm in the proper position and that my a.i. will become agressive due to the strategies I've set.
So I do two things here; cut off the pass and use my a.i. to pressure the puck carrier, which is exactly what they're programmed to do in this scenario. A straight up hockey play, perfectly executed by the A.I. And look at #81! Cutting off another potential pass. How does an a.i. 'not even programmed to play hockey' make plays like this? random? By chance?
and just before we get all "well this doesn't work against skilled opponents" - this opponent had a 600+CR, ranked in the top 200. And yes, I lost this game lol
haha theres so much to breakdown here thats just fundamental hockey...
1. why would you be forechecking with 1F and 1D in the zone? waht's the context of the play? if you were that outnumbered and chaning lines, why would you be forechecking here?
1a. the 1F is just blindly sprinting at the puck...how is this proof that the AI are programmed to play hockey? thats the bar?
1b. If this isnt a line change and assuming this is using one of their attempts at resembling a 1-2-2 in this game - what happened? I see two forwards and equal depth (correct for a 1-2-2) but what happend to the "1" then? where is he? Why is 13 even pressuring the puck here like that? if your FC is broke like this, youre already in "uh oh I gotta get out" mode. Really bad FC.
1c. the play by your opponent would be the equivalent of moving your king into check on purpose in chess. A blunder so egregious and unforced that its mind-blowing.
2. no high-level coach would say youre in position here. Youre in no-mans land. if there is a guy behind you that youre claiming to be covering then youre REALLY beat. If the D wanted to move this puck to the alleged forward behind you theres some solid objects surrounding the playing surface that could easily be used to pass by you. Easy out all day to a 2-on-2 with a F at D...coach wont be liking that. Not to mention if this was real life, 78 blue would see you flat footed on the line, read the easy up, and would beat you back to your zone as the trailer maiing this an almost uncontested 3v2 odd-man rush.
3. If the opponents D were to escape behind the net (1 of his 2 good options) youd see the AI dont know hockey here. it would totaly breakdown because the 1F isnt actually forechecking with a purpose...just sprinting at the puck and your "middle 2" int he 1-2-2 wouldnt properly rotate and support the 1F's pressure here. This might be the most cherry-picked example of all-time to try and say the ai jknow hockey. Kory, there is no "1-2-2 aggressive" or "1-2-2 passive" IRL. that does not make snese. these are fictional systems that lack the proper under the hood programming to truly make a 1-2-2 work. its like saying "screen pass" in madden and showing that the rb can take 4 steps to the right for proof that the ai know football even if the blocking assignments are all wrong
4. Just look at matthews covering for his d here..this isnt exclusive to forwards covering either the D do this too...why is he moving to be flat with his aprtner? defense 101 is a staggared line with the puck?why would he skate to a spot that makes him covered rather than supporting the puck?
At the end of the day i hope i proved that this was not a well exectued forecheck. this was either a bad pressure during a change or a bad pressure after the play was unsuccessfully turend that you just happened to get lucky that it wasnt exposed. youd never see this play out like this in an nhl game and not result in a grade A scoring chance. this wasnt a good forecheck.
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:At the end of the day i hope i proved that this was not a well exectued forecheck.
Not in the slightest lol but it was a valiant effort.
It's hilarious that every player was covered properly in their own zone which forced the turnover. Literally the exact reason why you forecheck.. and you're trying to say it wasn't well executed 😃
