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@Treatmentworke66 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867Here's a reminder to you no it doesn't
So how do you explain the fact that I've provided dozens of in-game examples of it working just fine?
- Treatmentworke6611 months agoSeasoned Ace@KidShowtime1867 You've provided nothing of what the op was talking about
- thebrazenhead7511 months agoSeasoned Adventurer
Now show a video of being able to do a flip dump on your back hand after your C wins the face off to you as a Dman that clears the zone in an EASHL 6’s game.
It was very possible in previous years and a set play many used to clear the zone and also to spring your winger for a breakaway. It has obviously been nerfed to help with their “pressure” system.
- KidShowtime186711 months agoHero
@thebrazenhead75 wrote:Now show a video of being able to do a flip dump on your back hand after your C wins the face off to you as a Dman that clears the zone in an EASHL 6’s game.
Club was busy last night, so I had to play a drop-in to get these clips:
@thebrazenhead75 wrote:It was very possible in previous years and a set play many used to clear the zone and also to spring your winger for a breakaway. It has obviously been nerfed to help with their “pressure” system.
Like this? It's not EASHL but the method still applies:
- thebrazenhead7511 months agoSeasoned Adventurer
Not what I asked for.Faceoff in your zone, quick backhand flip from the corner straight up the boards and over the blue line.
It was a set play that many used.
Your clips are different. They’re slow and the dump is diagonal. Those I know I can still do and haven’t been nerfed like what I’m asking for.
- KlariskraysNHL11 months agoHero@KidShowtime1867 You can't win this one. They just want the old version back that gave 100% safety of it getting out of the zone. They don't care that Mike explained they are content with the results.
- thebrazenhead7511 months agoSeasoned Adventurer
The back hand flip to clear the zone was a common play. So easy in real life that even a beer league player could do it. Also it didn’t also work 100%. Sometimes if your aim was off it would clear the glass (penalty) or if your timing was “off” it wouldn’t have enough power to clear the zone. Now it’s very rare to accomplish it.
Who is Mike anyway and what did he say about it?
Why should myself as a consumer care if “they’re” content with the results? Just because they’re content with something in their game doesn’t make it right.
- KlariskraysNHL11 months agoHero@thebrazenhead75 You're playing the game they envision for us. They have ideas and goals they want to bring to the game. It doesn't mean people will agree with it, but it's their vision. They held quite firm on this one too even mentioning it in an interview. It's their way of saying you need to adapt and buckle up because it probably isn't changing in NHL 24. They did make lots of feedback changes from people voicing concerns. What didn't get touched might mean that changes some people want aren't going to happen. Much like some people wanting the old hitting method back. They didn't really change their stance on that. They did nerf the speed boost from it then reverted it back though.
Who knows what NHL 25 will add or remove. Overall I'd say the pressure system was a letdown to majority. Time will tell if that gets scrapped or stays in the game but they simply add options to turn it off in offline modes and also hide the on-ice visuals.
I know many don't really watch the videos and interviews, but they really should to get an idea on how the game will be shaped for the future.
- 11 months ago
@KlariskraysNHL wrote:
@KidShowtime1867You can't win this one. They just want the old version back that gave 100% safety of it getting out of the zone. They don't care that Mike explained they are content with the results.Well of course you can't "win" an argument when you're on the side of justifying artificially making something harder to do in a video game than IRL. Of course you're going to be facing an uphill battle when you remove a real life solution to a real life problem all for the sake of difficulty in a game. I mean, SDS could hold a press conference about why sinkers will always lead to flyballs regardless of ratings, timing, PCI placement as they see this pitch as a "get of jail free card" when runners are on, but that probably just wouldnt end up making much sense to the fans of baseball now would it? That's where the fundamental disconnect is betweeen both parties in these almost daily discussions. One side is asking "why I can't do soemthing I see 400 times a night in an NHL game to solve the exact problem im facign?" and the other is saying "because you cant, so git gud" which naturally leads to a lack of a constructive result.
Now, I come in peace here as i feel like the pressure system could certainly be a good addition to the game as long as they stop plasterign the timer in the middle of the ice and remove commentary lines mentioning the feature like its a real life thing (same with x-factors). But to see where im (and probably moany other IRL hockey fans) are coming from, I have to pose a question:
IRL, what do you see as the primary solution teams resort to when hemmed in and tired? Do you see one of them sprint 100% one way, do a 360 degree spin at full speed that would put a zero-trun lawn mower to shame, then pass it to their wide open wing on the far side that the offensive team's D is inexplicably backing away from for no reason? No, You see a flip dump. It's that simple.
So how do we find a middle groudn between "it shouldnt be easy" and "it should be artifically impossible?" Well the answer is quite simple actually:
If players in NHL were actually held to the physical limitations of reality when it comes to their speed, their agility, their accelration, and had to actually account for incidental contact, it would make forechecking immensely easier. It would be such a night and day difference, time and space wouldn't feel abundant, having a feel for the sport would be required rather simply relying on "twitch skills" and it would result in more relaistic puck movement, more realistic defense, and more realistic offense.
If you then added a polished AI that correctly executed real life forechecking strategies, getting a flip dump off would be much harder organically rather than the current alternative we see today.
So there you have it. It's that simple (im not saying the execution is simple, im saying the high-level approach or "vision" if you have it, is that simple). Idk why we cant get to this point as a community. If your avatar/team is tired, held to laws of physics, and have a competent forecheck applied to you, getting time and space is going to be hard in itself. No need for anyone's "vision" to impede or artifically make a routine play impossible. Just approaching the sport in the way its actually played vs an arcade game with werewolves and superman entrances solves everyone;'s problem here.
Again, I don't believe this is an "easy" fix when it comes to executing the vision, but is this "approach" not an ideal one? Imo, having players be able to do everything they can IRL and having real strateiges and tools to make the execution hard would be the perfect scenario to me. Is there not 100% agreement here? We actually believe making something artifically harder is good and should remain? I mean, tbh I don't care what mike, johnny, jim, tim, pat, tommy, dan, shane, curt, or anyone has to say, I will never simply accept the artifical limitation of such a routine play IRL in a game to make said game harder or so it aligns with someones vision. The "vision" of in-zone play being rewarded can be achieved via better forechecking and realistic skating, that should be tried and should fail long before we ever get to removing basic skills of the sport.
- KidShowtime186711 months agoHero
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:. One side is asking "why I can't do soemthing I see 400 times a night in an NHL game to solve the exact problem im facign?" and the other is saying "because you cant, so git gud" which naturally leads to a lack of a constructive result.
This is such a gross misrepresentation of what happens here.
One side is stating "because I'm unable to execute a certain mechanic flawlessly every single time, it's broken". I'm literally posting videos of these mechanics working as intended and trying to explain these mechanics take a little skill and patience to master. We're not saying "git gud". We're trying to showcase there's room for players to improve their mastery of the tools.
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:IRL, what do you see as the primary solution teams resort to when hemmed in and tired? Do you see one of them sprint 100% one way, do a 360 degree spin at full speed that would put a zero-trun lawn mower to shame, then pass it to their wide open wing on the far side that the offensive team's D is inexplicably backing away from for no reason? No, You see a flip dump. It's that simple.
Which is 100% executable in this game. It's that simple.
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:If players in NHL were actually held to the physical limitations of reality when it comes to their speed, their agility, their accelration, and had to actually account for incidental contact, it would make forechecking immensely easier.
But.. you DO have to account for incidental contact. And players ARE mostly held to the limitations of reality, but with any videogame ever created, liberties need to be taken in certain areas. Yes, it can be improved upon.. but acting as if there's literally nothing realistic at all about the forecheck or other elements of the gameplay is ridiculous.
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:If you then added a polished AI that correctly executed real life forechecking strategies, getting a flip dump off would be much harder organically rather than the current alternative we see today.
The AI DOES execute real life forechecking strategies. If you're not seeing them do this, then there's something wrong with the way you're controlling your players. It's as simple as that.
- kezz12310 months agoNew Veteran
The irony of trying so hard for years to make the game into a closer hockey simulation with "true performance skating" "Scientist physics" and all that stuff and all they seem to accomplish is making the game less fun to play while being more unrealistic than ever.
Defending is super unrealistic, attacking is unrealistic, goaling is unrealistic, skating, hitting, agility, puck magnet, etc etc. Celebrations are worse by the year. It seems like everything is just getting worse. The game has never looked less like real hockey than it does now when you combine all the broken builds/mechanics and the best way to see how bad it is, is playing 3s where everything is amplified 10 folds due to extra space etc.
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