So I finally decided to start a BaP player in NHL23 (since I got the itch to watch some hockey) to supplement my normal online versus play and my lord... is the dev team aware of how horrible your AI teammates are in this game? They're really bad all around but they're ESPECIALLY egregious on the rush. I'll be on the wing as one of my teammates is crossing the blueline with the puck ahead of me and 9 times out of 10 they'll do a one-touch deke DIRECTLY into the defenseman and either get destroyed by a body-check or just lose the puck to the defenseman's skates. The only time they make a smart decision on the rush is if I cross the line at exactly the same time as them (they'll dish it wide) or if I'm coming in super late and call for a drop-pass to the high-slot. They RARELY dump the puck hard and around for me to retrieve and you know what's the most sad part? They NEVER (and I mean NEVER. 0 percent of the time) pull up with the puck and look for a streaking teammate. They have no sense of drawing defensemen towards them or buying time. It's just really overly simplified AI programming, it seems. The other frustrating part of the player-lock experience is that apparently AI teammates can no longer make quick, hard backhand passes anymore in NHL23. In years prior, you could call for the puck from them while they were on their backhand and they'd send decent passes to you. This was especially useful when your AI defensemen were curling into the corner to retrieve the puck in your own zone and you wanted them to reverse the puck against the direction they were skating. Now, it seems as though AI teammates can ONLY make forehand passes. It really waters the experience down.I'm not trying to be a complainer or be mean to the devs or anything like that with this post. I just think there needs to be basic improvements to the AI to have it at least function at a somewhat interesting level of competency in order to make the BaP mode fun. This is to say nothing of the opposing team's AI. TLDR: Are there plans to address the specific set of things I outlined in this post? To recap: AI teammate puck-carriers' options when entering the offensive zone and AI teammates' ability to make backhand passes.

@rsandersr47 wrote:I think what it comes down to is people have either adapted, found settings to tamper with, or play online. I think if you want the best experience in the game it's gonna be found in EASHL. Is it perfect? Nope. You will also have lots of people play out of position and stuff but it feels more genuine and you typically feel less cheated as there are less and less CPU players. Offline modes are always gonna take a backseat to the online modes. I agree they should be updated but at this point I think most people are coming to terms with the fact its just not a big emphasis for them and online is what they're interested in.@rsandersr47 This is your opinion and that’s fine. But I know lots and lots of people that wouldn’t touch online with a 10 foot-pole…And could you show me a video of EASHL of 5 vs 5 that looks like real hockey ? I would be seriously interested to watch that. Thanks !

@NeonSkyline21 wrote:@NeonSkyline21damn no one cares? sad lol@NeonSkyline21 I don’t think no one cares 😉 I do care. I’m just not playing BAP right now. Well at least I haven’t touched BAP in 23, spend the whole year trying to get the most realistic gameplay possible. When I played "BAP" I made my own version playing player lock, but that’s for another topic…That being said, lot’s of AI behaviour can be tweaked with sliders and also player edits. I have a couple guys over at Operation Sports that are playing BAP with my setup and they are having a really good time… Here’s a quote from one of them:"I've just realised something that's missing from your gameplay ...That stupid situation where, when pressured, the AI retreats all the way back. I haven't seen it in the BaP games I've played nor in the videos you've posted. 😎😀Wow! That's amazing. It was one of the main problems that put me off this game.The big question is why. What have you changed that stops the AI retreating all the way back to their own net?I doubt it is sliders, I'm guessing it's one of your player edits but could be the combination of both.Again, WOW!!"——————————So if you wanna give my setup a try go ahead and maybe you will love what you see from the AI 😉 I also never called for a pass when BAP or locked, it makes it more realistic and if you get in a good spot on the ice, the AI will pass it to you 😀pernellkarl076-nhl23-ultra-realistic-gameplay-setup Also, me and the boys are about to deliver another bomb 💣 in the gameplay department that we will deliver sometime next week 😀Have fun !Peace ✌️

@NeonSkyline21 damn no one cares? sad lol

@NeonSkyline21 Thanks for trying my sliders 👍😀That being said, just one question for you, did you also played with the updated roster ? The AI is very customizable when you edit players a certain way, trust me. We’ve changed so many things in this game that was downright frustrating…

In our extensive testing and stuff under the hood, nothing is left untouched.., For example this is a screenshot of things used to monitor new DMEN and Goalies edits…At a different time in the testing, we looked and focused at our DMEN, where they actually made a bonehead play in our zone or anywhere on the ice. Should they have made a pass here ? Did they see the winger near the board for a breakout pass ? Did they have that deer caught in the headlights on that play ? Should they have made a shot here instead of passing and playing ping pong for nothing ?So yeah, so much stuff gameplay wise that can be adjusted in the finest details, but it takes lots of patience, lots of craziness also 😉😆We will be delivering our FINAL update pretty soon and in my books it will be a game changer for years to come 😀

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NeonSkyline21
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@NeonSkyline21 damn no one cares? sad lol
PernellKarl027
2 years ago
@NeonSkyline21 wrote:
@NeonSkyline21damn no one cares? sad lol
@NeonSkyline21
I don’t think no one cares 😉 I do care. I’m just not playing BAP right now. Well at least I haven’t touched BAP in 23, spend the whole year trying to get the most realistic gameplay possible. When I played "BAP" I made my own version playing player lock, but that’s for another topic…
That being said, lot’s of AI behaviour can be tweaked with sliders and also player edits. I have a couple guys over at Operation Sports that are playing BAP with my setup and they are having a really good time… Here’s a quote from one of them:
"I've just realised something that's missing from your gameplay ...

That stupid situation where, when pressured, the AI retreats all the way back. I haven't seen it in the BaP games I've played nor in the videos you've posted. 😎😀

Wow! That's amazing. It was one of the main problems that put me off this game.

The big question is why. What have you changed that stops the AI retreating all the way back to their own net?

I doubt it is sliders, I'm guessing it's one of your player edits but could be the combination of both.

Again, WOW!!"
——————————
So if you wanna give my setup a try go ahead and maybe you will love what you see from the AI 😉 I also never called for a pass when BAP or locked, it makes it more realistic and if you get in a good spot on the ice, the AI will pass it to you 😀
pernellkarl076-nhl23-ultra-realistic-gameplay-setup
Also, me and the boys are about to deliver another bomb 💣 in the gameplay department that we will deliver sometime next week 😀
Have fun !
Peace ✌️
NeonSkyline21
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@PernellKarl027 I've tried your sliders for 23 as player-lock in season mode and it was ok gameplay-wise (if you like that "full-sim" feeling) but it did nothing for actual AI behavior. There is no way to edit AI behavior in this game like there is in NBA2k, for example. In 2k, you can edit player tendencies and it actually makes a difference in what the AI-controlled players will attempt to do on the court. IMO, NHL REALLY needs this.

I'll post a video/thread some time soon about my AI teammates' propensity for deking as soon as they cross the blue-line with the puck. It's so bad it's almost FUNNY. Suzuki/Caufield deke to the middle almost EVERY TIME on the rush.

As far as not calling for passes goes: I try to play that way but it's downright LESS realistic at times if you always refrain from calling for passes. I say this because the AI in this game won't make backhand passes up the boards when you're wide open as an outlet on the wing in your zone. You HAVE to call for it otherwise they'll just ignore you. Hell, I sometimes have to call for it in the offensive-zone as well otherwise one of my "top forwards" (LOL) will just turn straight into a body-check while carrying the puck. So bad.

I appreciate your response, though. I know you're passionate about the offline side of the game. That's the thing... I'm usually an ONLINE ONLY player but I DO like playing BaP to spice things up when I get frustrated with OVP.
PernellKarl027
2 years ago
@NeonSkyline21
Thanks for trying my sliders 👍😀
That being said, just one question for you, did you also played with the updated roster ?

The AI is very customizable when you edit players a certain way, trust me. We’ve changed so many things in this game that was downright frustrating…
KlariskraysNHL
Hero+
2 years ago
@NeonSkyline21 Fifa also has this for their Pro Clubs where you can edit pretty much everything about them. Height, Weight, Name, Playstyle, and more. Not sure about the offline modes because I don't play that stuff for sports.
PernellKarl027
2 years ago
In our extensive testing and stuff under the hood, nothing is left untouched.., For example this is a screenshot of things used to monitor new DMEN and Goalies edits…

At a different time in the testing, we looked and focused at our DMEN, where they actually made a bonehead play in our zone or anywhere on the ice. Should they have made a pass here ? Did they see the winger near the board for a breakout pass ? Did they have that deer caught in the headlights on that play ? Should they have made a shot here instead of passing and playing ping pong for nothing ?
So yeah, so much stuff gameplay wise that can be adjusted in the finest details, but it takes lots of patience, lots of craziness also 😉😆
We will be delivering our FINAL update pretty soon and in my books it will be a game changer for years to come 😀
rabid55wolverine
New Vanguard
2 years ago
The fact that you say that so much can be fine tuned to play like a hockey game and proper AI except it takes lots of time and patience is absolutely pathetic for this company and developers. You have probably poured loads of hours into testing and tweaking and that says more about how bad the AI is than any kind of fix.
The AI is awful in this game, plain and simple. They should at the very least be able to play positional. I can't say how many times I've tried to play be a pro and the AI is absolutely lost on the ice. I've had 2 on 1s with an AI team mate and he just literally skates away from the play without going to a line change, he littlerally just skates away.
I've tried your sliders and I think you've done a great job on them and happy they work for people but there is far too many bobbled easy passes that should never bappen so I've given up on those. NhL 23 is a dead game anyways and we will see what 24 brings but if anyone is expecting the AI to play like hockey players then ypu will be fooling yourselves.
rsandersr47
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
I think what it comes down to is people have either adapted, found settings to tamper with, or play online. I think if you want the best experience in the game it's gonna be found in EASHL. Is it perfect? Nope. You will also have lots of people play out of position and stuff but it feels more genuine and you typically feel less cheated as there are less and less CPU players. Offline modes are always gonna take a backseat to the online modes. I agree they should be updated but at this point I think most people are coming to terms with the fact its just not a big emphasis for them and online is what they're interested in.
PernellKarl027
2 years ago
@rsandersr47 wrote:
I think what it comes down to is people have either adapted, found settings to tamper with, or play online. I think if you want the best experience in the game it's gonna be found in EASHL. Is it perfect? Nope. You will also have lots of people play out of position and stuff but it feels more genuine and you typically feel less cheated as there are less and less CPU players. Offline modes are always gonna take a backseat to the online modes. I agree they should be updated but at this point I think most people are coming to terms with the fact its just not a big emphasis for them and online is what they're interested in.
@rsandersr47
This is your opinion and that’s fine. But I know lots and lots of people that wouldn’t touch online with a 10 foot-pole…
And could you show me a video of EASHL of 5 vs 5 that looks like real hockey ? I would be seriously interested to watch that. Thanks !
PernellKarl027
2 years ago
@rabid55wolverine wrote:
The fact that you say that so much can be fine tuned to play like a hockey game and proper AI except it takes lots of time and patience is absolutely pathetic for this company and developers. You have probably poured loads of hours into testing and tweaking and that says more about how bad the AI is than any kind of fix.
The AI is awful in this game, plain and simple. They should at the very least be able to play positional. I can't say how many times I've tried to play be a pro and the AI is absolutely lost on the ice. I've had 2 on 1s with an AI team mate and he just literally skates away from the play without going to a line change, he littlerally just skates away.
I've tried your sliders and I think you've done a great job on them and happy they work for people but there is far too many bobbled easy passes that should never bappen so I've given up on those. NhL 23 is a dead game anyways and we will see what 24 brings but if anyone is expecting the AI to play like hockey players then ypu will be fooling yourselves.
@rabid55wolverine
Can’t speak for BAP, but I do play Position Lock 95% of the time and saying that the AI doesn’t play their positions properly is not accurate at all.. Most of the time, it’s the user that controls the said player that is out of HIS position, that’s what's gonna mess with the AI, cause it’s gonna try and cover for the player that left his spot on the ice… And I’ve never seen a player just skate away in all my time with the game.
Thanks for trying out my sliders 👍 That being said it’s a combo of many things including the very important roster… I see bobbled pass maybe at a 10% rate and most of the time it called for that like in real hockey. The player on the receiving end is sometimes not in an ideal spot and disposition to receive the puck cleanly and that plays a big part, like it should.
When you say that NHL23 is a dead game anyway, I couldn’t disagree more, cause for a bunch of us, it has never been more alive 😀