Re: NHL 24 - January 25th Tuner Update Notes

The community is also asking for the puck flip to return but yet still no fix 

The only reason these changes are happening its because the top players and twitch streamers were complaining about ragging  other wise nothing would have been done 

Cause they don't see it as a problem— they want it implemented that way. I used to dump all the time in prior games, now I just hold Rt and UP since it's way more effective

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@RatedxPGxEnigma wrote:

now I just hold Rt and UP since it's way more effective

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shhh.. don't tell this to people. They think it's "too complicated".

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@RatedxPGxEnigma wrote:

now I just hold Rt and UP since it's way more effective

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shhh.. don't tell this to people. They think it's "too complicated".

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If you are referring to this comment, never did I say “too complicated”, I said “more complicated.”

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@Beauts90 wrote:

 

Are you now agreeing that the puck flip was buffed due to the pressure system and that we should look to find more complicated and riskier ways to relieve the pressure?

And this is your solution that prompted my response, so you tell me what's MORE complicated, flipping the puck down the ice or using any of the suggestions you had listed as "enticing dynamic gameplay?"

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

Therefore, one can only assume the developers intend for you to utilize the other aforementioned tactics (sauce, puck movement, proper support, etc) before resorting to the dump puck.

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Honestly, I don't think the dump feature needs a change. I think players need to have a lower likelihood of jumping obscene heights (and sometimes into walls) to intercept these clears.

The dump height could maybe be boosted a bit, but honestly, the physics of this dump mechanic are much better than the old one. 

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@dafff79e50b23c53 wrote:

Why is simply letting us clear the puck not getting fixed? It's been broken since launch.

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Seriously someone likes this new dump system? Im not going to believe that…

In real life just quick wristshot and puck is flying to the opponent dzone in seconds but in this fantastic NHL game you first hold 5 seconds one button and then press another button (shoot/dump) and what is the result?

Puck is flying maybe 5 meters. Please…

This need to be changed back to normal asap!

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@Hanseniza wrote:

Seriously someone likes this new dump system? Im not going to believe that…

In real life just quick wristshot and puck is flying to the opponent dzone in seconds but in this fantastic NHL game you first hold 5 seconds one button and then press another button (shoot/dump) and what is the result?

Puck is flying maybe 5 meters. Please…

This need to be changed back to normal asap!

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hold RT and flick UP on RS. Easy peasy.

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@razor2rosary wrote:

Honestly, I don't think the dump feature needs a change. I think players need to have a lower likelihood of jumping obscene heights (and sometimes into walls) to intercept these clears.

The dump height could maybe be boosted a bit, but honestly, the physics of this dump mechanic are much better than the old one. 

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@dafff79e50b23c53 wrote:

Why is simply letting us clear the puck not getting fixed? It's been broken since launch.

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Being able to chip off the glass is awesome. I see a lot of people trying to chip off the glass from 20 feet out. This is where you see the high lob that falls flat once it hits the glass.

If you're within 5-10 feet of the board and use a flip dump, it chips off the glass with much more velocity. But again, the average player is not a fan of being more responsible with the mechanics to make them work as intended. They just want the mechanic to do what they want it to do regardless of what the player they're controlling is currently doing. 

Again, in tight situations where chipping off the glass isn't ideal, RT + Shoot. Maybe a little too complicated for some, but welcome to the skill gap. 

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@Hanseniza wrote:

Seriously someone likes this new dump system? Im not going to believe that…

In real life just quick wristshot and puck is flying to the opponent dzone in seconds but in this fantastic NHL game you first hold 5 seconds one button and then press another button (shoot/dump) and what is the result?

Puck is flying maybe 5 meters. Please…

This need to be changed back to normal asap!

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I feel that the new system prevents getting absurd clearing velocity/height off a desperation clear. You barely have to hold the buttons for long to even get the full clear. I personally feel that the main issue is how easily players are catching pucks that are too high off the ground for them.

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@dafff79e50b23c53 wrote:

Why is simply letting us clear the puck not getting fixed? It's been broken since launch.

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Chipping the puck off the glass to relieve pressure is a skill that requires positional responsibility in order to execute properly. As the developers have already implied; The flip dump is not a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card. Meaning, you can't just press R1+RS the instant you obtain a puck and expect it to eliminate the full pressure. You need to get yourself into a position in order to use the dump effectively. If you can't, there are other options to quickly move a puck in an attempt to get out of the zone: power-sauce, R2 + Shoot, Shoot, Hard pass.

Below are some in-game examples, followed by practice mode examples to demonstrate the major difference subtle positional changes have on chipping pucks off the glass. 

Yes, opponent is diving at me in the D-Zone which is indicative of a lower-skilled player, however, this opponent's CR turned out to be 899 (roughly top 100 player in OVP). I believe the diving was a message to imply he was annoyed I was dumping it every chance I got. 

Went out of my way to use the dump puck feature, so these scenarios may have warranted a pass rather than a dump, but I wanted to show that you can utilize the dump effectively in-game if you learn to master it.

Here's a slow dump from trying to chip it off the glass from too far away (at the faceoff dot - puck lands right outside the blue line):

Here's a dump from a little closer (between the dot and hash marks - puck lands between blue and red line):

Finally, what I believe is the perfect spot - close against the boards to get the best angle for speed and distance (puck lands almost at the referees crease):

@KidShowtime1867 

Imagine they remove wrist shots from the game and I made videos that show me scoring with slap shots to show wrist shots aren’t needed. It’s great that you showed an alternative, but this doesn’t come close to helping with the request for flip dumps.

Flip dumps are hockey plays that are not only extremely common, but very easy to pull off. All that many of us are requesting is that said hockey plays be in the game instead of playing some arcade fantasy game that the “developers implied.”

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@Beauts90 wrote:

@KidShowtime1867 

Imagine they remove wrist shots from the game and I made videos that show me scoring with slap shots to show wrist shots aren’t needed. It’s great that you showed an alternative, but this doesn’t come close to helping with the request for flip dumps.

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Your complaint is about flipping the puck high and out. I'm responding to claims that clearing the puck, primarily off the glass, is "broken". 

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@Beauts90 wrote:

 

Flip dumps are hockey plays that are not only extremely common, but very easy to pull off. All that many of us are requesting is that said hockey plays be in the game instead of playing some arcade fantasy game that the “developers implied.”

 

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I don't think anyone here is disputing that flipping the puck high and out is a hockey play. I'm showcasing the alternatives in place. 

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@Beauts90 wrote:

@KidShowtime1867 

Imagine they remove wrist shots from the game and I made videos that show me scoring with slap shots to show wrist shots aren’t needed. It’s great that you showed an alternative, but this doesn’t come close to helping with the request for flip dumps.

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Your complaint is about flipping the puck high and out. I'm responding to claims that clearing the puck, primarily off the glass, is "broken". 

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@Beauts90 wrote:

 

Flip dumps are hockey plays that are not only extremely common, but very easy to pull off. All that many of us are requesting is that said hockey plays be in the game instead of playing some arcade fantasy game that the “developers implied.”

 

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I don't think anyone here is disputing that flipping the puck high and out is a hockey play. I'm showcasing the alternatives in place. 

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Yeah sorry, I reread your post, my mistake.

I thought they were talking about the infamous puck flip and not just any type of zone clear.

I don't understand the logic of releasing a new tuner in the middle of the playoffs.

I'm not upset, it simply doesn't make sense to potentially change the way the game is played and kill a club's run. 

Other than that, initial signs are promising. There's more emphasis on the endurance stat, but it's also slowed the game down a little. 

I'm sure people will adapt fairly quickly and we'll end up more or less in the same place, but it was at least a positive attempt and can be revisited with further adjustments if it doesn't end up being enough.  

The negative is that hitting remains overpowered. There are simply too many big hits with disproportionate reactions. 

Injuring or flattening someone multiple times a game, the amount of time it takes a player to recover, heat-seeking hip checks, and the window for hits behind the play, all need adjusting. 

With the increased emphasis on maintaining energy, gaming the system will likely result in even more hitting for the energy sapping impact. 

I hope a future tuner can address some of those elements in order to achieve a better balance.

Now show a video of being able to do a high flip dump on your back hand after your C wins the face off to you as a Dman in an EASHL 6’s game.  

It was very possible in previous years and a set play many used to clear the zone and also to spring your winger for a breakaway.  It has obviously been nerfed to help with their “pressure” system.