FM AI GM’s logic is ridiculous
Product: NHL 21 Platform:Sony Playstation 4 How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%) Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Could’ve found it by testing it before release, but otherwise ...
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@SkylerJames13 3+ months and still waiting for fixes, and no communication or effort put into fixing the game from EA, only HUT has been getting any attention
Oh they're watching my swear word got removed from my comment.. xD. I guess community outreach with offline modes aren't that important to them ☹️
- @DeMiGoD1988 Frankly, I don’t expect support from EA, in terms of BAP or FM anymore. But I’ll still continue to voice my frustration and displeasure, since I am a customer that unfortunately paid money for this trash game.
I’m still baffled how bad the AI GM logic is after all this time - @SkylerJames13 I did make a post of ideas on general discussion board. Should have a look. See what you think of them. Just want to see if I'm in line with how the community feels or if I'm alone on my ideas
- @DeMiGoD1988 No you’re definitely not alone. We all have the same ideas for the most part. The entire community thinks fairly alike. The problem, is that EA doesn’t listen to us. The community doesn’t actually have a voice apparently. HUT and online have louder voices, especially because of their streamers and because of the gambling loot boxes cash cows they have.
But we as a community have been ignored for years, really. Everyone once in a while they “give” us a feature, but they implement it so poorly, and don’t bother to fix it/make it work right, that it wasn’t even worth the time, and it’s not worth our money. - @SkylerJames13 Essentially. It'll always be viewed this way until we're proven wrong.
- EA_Aljo
Community Manager
We absolutely care about offline players. If we didn't, so much work wouldn't be put into them. It's certainly disappointing to see so much frustration with these issues and we'd love to see them resolved. When it comes to fixing issues, it's not as easy as it may seem. There are also times it's better to spend the time necessary to resolve these issues properly which can mean waiting for a future game as it's possible changes coming down the road could affect the fixes that are put in. I'm not saying that's for sure the case here, but it's something that needs to be considered.
Also, yes, there are a lot more online players than offline. When it comes to getting out fixes that affect the high majority of players versus the smaller population that plays only offline modes, it makes sense to address the issues affecting more people. There's a limited amount of time and resources and they need to be used where they can to make the most impact. Sadly, this means we can't make everyone happy.
Please keep the constructive feedback coming. I understand it may look like you're being ignored, but that's not the case. Bug reports help the dev team gets these issues resolved.
- @EA_Aljo Chemistry and coaching issues have been an issue for a long time, and same thing with TWD TWF being useless in terms of chemistry. How many more games do we have to wait for them to be fixed?
- @EA_Aljo I'm gonna disagree. It's known franchise mode is the most played mode, has been for years and we've seen the same bugs in title after title. One bug I brought up here back in 2017 and I was told it'll be fixed for NHL 2018... Still is there, not fixed at all. When I've been lied to for 3 years straight being straight with you is constructive. I made a second post which is extremely constructive on how to make the mode more realistic and that's all we ask for, some are difficult fixes others easy. However it's unfair for EA to ask for respect when you blatantly lie to our faces about overhauling the mode when you added one feature (which is buggy at best) and this one feature bugs up other features. Each year we also get less and less features. I remember the time we had the likelihood of a player wanting to join a team, or we could hire medical personal or a legal team... I remember when the all star game was in franchise mode, all that has been since been removed. This alone tells you ive played this game yearly and for a long time and over the years I see key features leave and don't see a new one to replace it for years later only for it to be shoehorned into the game in a very messy state.
@EA_AljoAlso to revert back to key features missing and another offline mode (just to hit home how offline modes have been disregarded) you completely removed normal seasons from the CHL, OHL & QMJHL not to mention what age you want to start as and you're locked into going to either NYR or LA if you do good or ANA if you don't.
Yes I'm refering to Be A Pro. But I'm proving a point how EA NHL doesn't see profit in a mode it's pushed aside for the most part.
- @DeMiGoD1988 You’re bang on with everything you’ve said, and you’ll be countered by EA with the “we listen, we improve, we work on it, it’ll come in the next game” etc spiel that they always have, but we all know the truth. We don’t matter. The online gamers matter. We. Don’t.
We’ve been asking and pushing for support, for fixes, for an actual playable game mode. And we’ve been given nothing. Nothing notable for years - @SkylerJames13 Let's not forget you use to be able to play you're career as an existing NHL player in Be a Pro and legends started in the league as a 17-18 year old on Franchise. Now you can't play as a NHLer in BAP and legends start their career in Franchise at 26-27 years of age, also if you put legends in Franchise it plays up with lifetime records sort all time.
Also if you put Gaborik into the wild organisation his records won't continue either.. and Woltsky was a Avalanche his entire career when he was in the NHL yet it says N/A in his stats :/ - EA_Aljo
The idea that we don't care about this mode because it's not part of HUT is completely false. Look at EASHL. That mode doesn't have a way to spend money and gets a very large amount of support. The thing is, the modes that appear to get more attention are also live services. Yes, they are the 2 most popular modes in the game, but there are a high amount of offline players. If we truly weren't interested in Franchise and BAP, they wouldn't be in the game let alone have received big updates over the years. Franchise Mode in particular has had improvements every year for the last few years especially. BAP went through a big revision with NHL 21. I understand it's not up to your expectations and we hate that you're disappointed. Constructive feedback is most certainly used to help improve the game year after year so please keep it coming.
- @EA_Aljo The trade deadline a hot mess, apart from a way to not to exit it once you're done you have to wait and also the AI of the GMs unbalanced trade values, most of the time they treat the 4th pick as if it's a 2nd and they offer a high pick for a cap dump.. And if you do make a trade then lines are automatically edited without any prompting and you haven't got a say in it. As for BAP didn't we go down this road back in 14 or something where you got interviewed and such? Also I don't have say on what I sign actually I've got none.. This isn't career mode this is season mode on loop and locked to one player. We should have the option to decline offers and regular full seasons for college and Europe hockey so we aren't tied down to three teams on draft day. That's what's fun with the draft!. The unknown! But in BAP you do well and answer all the questions humbly you end up with the rangers, answer them like a knob then you're with the kings however if you do bad in the college or Europe playoffs you end up with the ducks. It's my career I want control over it. Its not that hard of a request and it should've been a no brainer from the start
- @EA_Aljo Oh and you've also got the injury bug.. 3 players injured so you bring players up and when the 3 return you've got to many on the active roster but you can't send them down as you're stuck on the best lines, edit lines, rostwr movemtns and assistent coach moves screen until your forced to close and restart the app. Which has been a thing since 2018, which I reported at the time and I was told that the fix would be in 2019 however here we are 2021 and the bug is still alive and kicking
- @DeMiGoD1988 Don’t forget the issue, similar to this, when an injury happens to a forward, and when you replace that person, it won’t replace them on all the lines their on, such as PP/PK, etc if they are on the “D” pairing. Even though many teams run 4F 1D on the PP nowadays.
It’s been years and years and this still happens
