Can we have a serious discussion about the nemesis system?

•  In theory, the design sounds OK - you make enemies during races, so next races become harder.

Shouldn't this be the other way around on paper? Nemesis only for the current race?

• (AI shouldn't be even present in weeklies/monthlies, but that's a different design issue).

Umm, I've done a few weeklies/monthlies so far and none of them had AI...

• The second part is, that whatever was planned for that nemesis system, is not working anyway, because of the bugs.

I'm not sure I understand how it's supposed to work. If I overtake from too close from behind, the driver becomes my nemesis. If I overtake them too fast or too close from the side, they become my nemesis. Without touching them at all, several drivers can become my nemesis at once on a single corner with a single overtake...

At this point if they aren't going to fix it, we need an option to disable it. It's making some of the career events unplayable.

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@Danteska wrote:

• (AI shouldn't be even present in weeklies/monthlies, but that's a different design issue).

Umm, I've done a few weeklies/monthlies so far and none of them had AI...

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The recent Weekly and Monthly challenges in July are Time Trials with infinite laps, so that's why there are no AIs.

Last month there were a mix of Weekly and Monthly challenges that consisted of Electric racing events, Time Attack events, and Stadium Trucks racing events. All of which had AI opponents in them.

Only Time Trials do not have AI opponents in them.

Everyone who for some reason thinks that weeklies/monthlies are just some nice hotlaps - feel free to check the current challenge selection 🙂

I think the monthly is just the perfect example of how to NOT do this.

@EA_Kent @CM_TGK 

Can we PLEASE have some answers here?

Nemesis system is broken from day 1 and with every patch you guys seem to tweak the system a bit.

I have no idea what are you trying to do, but the system is still broken.

Patch 3.3 changed one big thing - for some reason, my teammate is not in nemesis state anymore, so at least that's one less driver trying to kill me on the 1st lap.

Did some tests today, in PRO/Touring, played the first two events few times.

The current loop looks like this:

1. The race loads, on pre-race standings screen noone is marked as nemesis

2. I start the race, and immediately I'm notified that drivers A, B, C , D and E are my nemesis (top middle screen)

3. Minimap becomes visible, and I can see way more red/nemesis cars than the 5 mentioned on the start. 

4. After 1 minute, all red/nemesis cars suddenly become black/normal cars

5. You can retrigger any of the red-turned-black cars just by driving close to them (no contact needed). If you do, they will remain in the red/nemesis state until the end of the race

6. Race ends and on the post-race screen I can see that EVERYONE except me and my teammate are both my rival and nemesis (purple + red icon)

I can run the same event again, or a different event as many times I want, the loop stays the same. 

It does not matter if I drive like a maniac or do not make any contact for the whole event. Every new race starts from point 1

Another funny thing - if after the race starts I open the menu and press 'restart race', I'll get more drivers mentioned during step 2. So it seems like restarting a race breaks the system even more.

Currently, there's no way of tracking who is your nemesis and who is not. Pre- and post-race screens are useless, both displaying false information.

There seems to be no way of getting rid of nemesis AI

Your racing standards are completely irrelevant.

Maybe we need to have another option in the menu, one that would reset the nemesis state of all AI?  Just like you handled the yellow markers? 🙂

The only good part of the Nemesis system is that it at all present in the game. There is nothing even close in any other racing game now. Though the implementations is eh... far from being perfect.

I am just wondering, how shall you drive to make the whole pack of 20 cars you nemesis? Crash them all like hell?! Or it is me who drive so carefully.

Don't get me wrong. I also get Nemesis opponents. And sudden triggering by just passing by. Maximum 3-5 in a race. But I don't remember that the whole pack was chasing me trying to kill me. 

Somehow they get calm down over time. Though I hove no idea how it actually works.

Even in nemesis state the opponents are very light on you. Yes, they maybe try to ram into you more (that is worse for them). But they will also ram you even without nemesis, just because you are on their way (and become Nemesis after that). In fact the only nemesis feature that I noticed so far is that if nemesis AI is right one position behind you (even relatively far enough in time), it will try to attack and overtake you by pushing you out. But if there is any other normal opponent between you, it, most likely, will never make it.
So, it is not that much of a problem, until you actually made the whole pack of 20 opponents you personal nemesis on purpose.

I would say the DEVs should address two main problems with Nemesis system:

1. Leaking the nemesis status to other game modes (especially into on-line races)
2. Make some solution for extreme cases, when too much opponents are on nemesis state

By the way, question. If driving a non contact races (like Drift) or single time attack without opponents can calm nemesis down? How many such events are needed?