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fbc0d4eb80a02f6's avatar
3 years ago

Course editor

I will be ordering EA Sports PGA Tour, coming from the 2K games and TGC as an experienced player, more than 1200+ hours on those. The reason for these crazy number of hours is thanks to the course editor. It is of huge importance to any golf sim.

It is 99% of the single player experience of the game for me. Multiplayer side, of course this is the main thing - but course creation I can do anytime, any day and get the huge satisfaction of presenting the course to the world, to friends in a private match and to YouTube subscribers Something I have spent weeks making, I get a huge sense of pride when it is done and playable. Over time you can learn the tools and make very realistic courses, even import LiDAR data into the 2K games.

I know why EA are not going to offer course designer at launch. I am sure aside from wanting to sell their own additional DLC courses later, EA have licensed copyrighted assets, painstakingly created the real courses in incredible detail and I understand the need to protect that key selling point of the game. I am massively looking forward to playing them. But fact is, golf is a multi-player sport both in virtual and real world, and not really the same thrill as a single player experience. So the course editor is essential to keep me coming back outside of multiplayer matches and societies, and far preferable to me vs a career mode. It also generates a ton of content for social media, and keeps the game fresh.

So if you're listening EA here's how I think you should consider a course creator going forward:

- As a separate package, priced at least $30-50 available for PC and console, with user interface designed for mouse & keyboard, not just for joypad users

- With a course store for paid DLC. EA gets 30%, creator gets 70%. Courses can be downloaded for $5-10 from the store and imported into the game. This way, everybody wins. EA get a nice extra revenue stream. Creators get rewarded for their work. Players get new content, that's cheaper and more regular than the official DLC content from EA which I am sure is coming like extra real courses and merch. The user generated courses would be a great way to get people to notice EA's own DLC on this store too. The store could be patched into the existing main game.

- I understand and appreciate how licensing Augusta national assets, then putting them in an editor for people to make other courses with is probably a big "no". So I am fine with generic assets like the 2K games. As long as they're realistic and you can create beautiful realistic course designs with these, nobody is going to try and "rip off" or copy an official course when the EA ones are so perfect anyway.

- Have very good landscaping tools. Landscaping is key to a great course. Very fine brushes, fine gradations, lots of different cuts of grass and rough, splines, and more than just one way point for long par 5 holes and dog legs would be great. Plus an auto-generate feature, for new players who would find creating a course completely from a blank piece of land too daunting.

- Dynamic weather would be icing on the cake. Starting a round in the sun, ominous clouds roll in on back 9, ends with wind at 20mph and some rain, greens getting slower, all adds to the challenge and mixes up the gameplay variety over one round

- Encourage online course community and creators, it will generate so much attention for the game on YouTube, Twitch, etc.

All in all I think EA has a huge opportunity with this game to dominate, but until it gets a course editor I will never entirely ditch 2K.

I would be happy to throw my own money at this software if it were provided, as long as it was comprehensive. I don't expect such a big feature for free in a patch later.

Make it happen EA!! Let's find the next Alistair McKenzie, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicklaus, the great course architects of tomorrow deserve the tools to show the world what they're capable of.

6 Replies

  • You can always go run to TW 2002-2008PC version for a course architect to make whatever you want real or fantasy courses with no worry of getting your course struck down. This idea of even CHARGING for a course architect or as 2k fans call it course creator is just no. You know, prior golf games in general did not need course creator in order to be relevant and good. That's all I'm gonna say to stay in EA's TOS.

  • Ultrasonic_77's avatar
    Ultrasonic_77
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    3 years ago

    @MaouYumisu wrote:

    You can always go run to TW 2002-2008PC version for a course architect to make whatever you want real or fantasy courses with no worry of getting your course struck down. This idea of even CHARGING for a course architect or as 2k fans call it course creator is just no. You know, prior golf games in general did not need course creator in order to be relevant and good. That's all I'm gonna say to stay in EA's TOS.


    Have you played any of the TGC/2k golf games? The huge library of user generated courses is a simply amazing asset to those games. Someone could play for a very long time without ever playing the same course twice if they wanted, and many user-generated courses are great!

    I was very pleasantly surprised to see that the new EA game will have 30 courses at launch, and actually I think we have the vast library of user-generated courses in the 2k games to thank for this.

  • MaouYumisu's avatar
    MaouYumisu
    3 years ago

    I already have a HUGE bad taste in my mouth of ANYTHING 2K related and no I have not tried the TGC series and considering it's from the 2k devs I am definitely passing on it even if it was free. If I want course architect I'll go to 08 PC instead of 2k. Oh, I'm very aware of the longevity of user and real courses because 08's still getting new courses right now. I do thank 2k AT LEAST as much as I CAN'T STAND THEM for making EA make a golf game for once just to see if they have it in them despite Tiger not being on the cover for obvious 2k signing agreements. 

  • Ultrasonic_77's avatar
    Ultrasonic_77
    Hero
    3 years ago

    @MaouYumisu wrote:

    I already have a HUGE bad taste in my mouth of ANYTHING 2K related and no I have not tried the TGC series and considering it's from the 2k devs I am definitely passing on it even if it was free. If I want course architect I'll go to 08 PC instead of 2k. Oh, I'm very aware of the longevity of user and real courses because 08's still getting new courses right now. I do thank 2k AT LEAST as much as I CAN'T STAND THEM for making EA make a golf game for once just to see if they have it in them despite Tiger not being on the cover for obvious 2k signing agreements. 


    The Golf Club games were made by HB Studios and so had nothing whatsoever to do with 2k. The franchise was just subsequently bought by 2k to give us the 2k21 and 2k23 games. My guess is that there are still many of the original HB Studios team involved. 

  • MaouYumisu's avatar
    MaouYumisu
    3 years ago

    If there are, which explains alot, then there you go. Last footage I seen of TGC 2019 was a rage compilation and had the same announcer as 2k. It reminded alot of 2k which pass. Can a month go by any faster please.

  • BuckHasTheBook's avatar
    BuckHasTheBook
    3 years ago

    2K acquired HB studios

    HB is still entirely behind the game, despite the 2k branding now.

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