Re: NO MORE UNLIMITED TRIES FOR WEEKLY AND SEASONAL TOURNAMENTS

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@RichAC wrote:

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@RDR1010 wrote:
@RichACYou're so wrong on this its untrue. Yes there will be very good players at the top of leaderboard's. This will always happen but the strive to shoot and even match them with the round of your life for the majority is so very important for a sport games longevity. I speak as a capable winner of Tournaments and would never play my bad rounds twice, for the exact reason, players like @GrOOvke might have shot the round of his life and a 10 under with a single try that day. I hope that doesn't across condescending, its completely the opposite. Its the sheer definition of competition and for E.A not to offer this is biting their own nose off their own face. It creates longevity in their online play.

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Sure for some people.   But the majority of competitive athletes want competitive matches.  That is why in popular sports there are leagues for different skill levels.  And competitve matches can be had at any level of skill.   Its why modern online multiplayer games have tried to implement things in a similar fashion with mmr's and league ranks.   Its why games like counterstrike and tw08 were so popular.  Because they essentially had community run leagues.   Its just human nature bud.   You have to think in more general terms.    People playing in tournaments where they feel they will never have a chance,  or where they perceive cheaters at the top of the leaderboard.   Is the exact opposite of whats good for the games longevity.    

I'm not saying remove the public tourneys.  That is of course needed for the reasons you state.  But it can't be the onlyh option.  They really need to bring back private community clubs, private tournaments,  and options to communicate  and matchup with other players like they've always had in previous pga tour games.

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Not everything is about being able to win though. I'm a big fan of the F1 games but I have zero chance of ever being good enough to finish at the top of a weekly event or other leaderboards (time trial if you're familiar with the games). I get enjoyment from simply able to improve, so let's say I finish in the top 50% vs top 60% I get satisfaction from this.

I do think limiting access to tournaments based on in game player level might be worth considering though, to give newer players a better chance of earning more rewards to help develop their own player.

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@RDR1010 wrote:
@RichACThis is CAN'T be the only option is what exactly? There is NEVER any single try option with EA. The can't get to the top of leaderboards because of cheating narrative is such a cop out as well btw. Not saying you using it but its null and void for those who get to the top of them without cheating. Golf is and always has been a single hit sport. I hit it in the water in yesterdays Tour 9 holer. If I replayed it? Would of won

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For info. the F1 weekly events allow multiple tries but there an increasing penalty applied for each. An rough equivalent for golf tournaments would be to allow repeat tournament entries but you get an additional one stroke penalty for each new attempt.

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@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:

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@RichAC wrote:

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@RDR1010 wrote:
@RichACYou're so wrong on this its untrue. Yes there will be very good players at the top of leaderboard's. This will always happen but the strive to shoot and even match them with the round of your life for the majority is so very important for a sport games longevity. I speak as a capable winner of Tournaments and would never play my bad rounds twice, for the exact reason, players like @GrOOvke might have shot the round of his life and a 10 under with a single try that day. I hope that doesn't across condescending, its completely the opposite. Its the sheer definition of competition and for E.A not to offer this is biting their own nose off their own face. It creates longevity in their online play.

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Sure for some people.   But the majority of competitive athletes want competitive matches.  That is why in popular sports there are leagues for different skill levels.  And competitve matches can be had at any level of skill.   Its why modern online multiplayer games have tried to implement things in a similar fashion with mmr's and league ranks.   Its why games like counterstrike and tw08 were so popular.  Because they essentially had community run leagues.   Its just human nature bud.   You have to think in more general terms.    People playing in tournaments where they feel they will never have a chance,  or where they perceive cheaters at the top of the leaderboard.   Is the exact opposite of whats good for the games longevity.    

I'm not saying remove the public tourneys.  That is of course needed for the reasons you state.  But it can't be the onlyh option.  They really need to bring back private community clubs, private tournaments,  and options to communicate  and matchup with other players like they've always had in previous pga tour games.

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Not everything is about being able to win though. I'm a big fan of the F1 games but I have zero chance of ever being good enough to finish at the top of a weekly event or other leaderboards (time trial if you're familiar with the games). I get enjoyment from simply able to improve, so let's say I finish in the top 50% vs top 60% I get satisfaction from this.

I do think limiting access to tournaments based on in game player level might be worth considering though, to give newer players a better chance of earning more rewards to help develop their own player.

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That's because you are not a competitive player.  at all.    The nature of any player vs player game is competitive.  Otherwise its not even sporting.   Competitive does not mean pwning noobs and shouting git gud.   It doesn't mean playing for money or at a high skill level.   It simply means one who wants a competitive match.  And if EA is not going to try and ensure that,  while at the same time not giving options for the community to.   then RIP.   That means most of us have been duped and bought a single player game.

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@RichAC wrote:

That's because you are not a competitive player.  at all.    The nature of any player vs player game is competitive.  Otherwise its not even sporting.   Competitive does not mean pwning noobs and shouting git gud.   It doesn't mean playing for money or at a high skill level.   It simply means one who wants a competitive match.  And if EA is not going to try and ensure that,  while at the same time not giving options for the community to.   then RIP.   That means most of us have been duped and bought a single player game.

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Enjoying competition and being realistic that finishing in the top-ten is never going to be possible are very different things. When you have a game that hundred's of thousands of people play, adopting the notion that there would only be any point playing if you could be the best just falls apart immediately. The overwhelming majority of players of all games can never be the best. 

Wanting competitive matches with other players of a similar ability is a very different thing to discussing Tournaments mode to me. This is what the 'Competitive' section should be for, given enough participants and a functioning matchmaking system. You'd still have an overall rank vs all players though.

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@RDR1010 wrote:
@RDR1010That wasn't just aimed at you @Ultrasonic_77 sorry. Still getting to grips with the forum lol

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Don't worry. This forum software leaves a lot to be desired!

And I'd personally like all tournaments to be single entry btw 🙂.

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@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:

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@RichAC wrote:

That's because you are not a competitive player.  at all.    The nature of any player vs player game is competitive.  Otherwise its not even sporting.   Competitive does not mean pwning noobs and shouting git gud.   It doesn't mean playing for money or at a high skill level.   It simply means one who wants a competitive match.  And if EA is not going to try and ensure that,  while at the same time not giving options for the community to.   then RIP.   That means most of us have been duped and bought a single player game.

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Enjoying competition and being realistic that finishing in the top-ten is never going to be possible are very different things. When you have a game that hundred's of thousands of people play, adopting the notion that there would only be any point playing if you could be the best just falls apart immediately. The overwhelming majority of players of all games can never be the best. 

Wanting competitive matches with other players of a similar ability is a very different thing to discussing Tournaments mode to me. This is what the 'Competitive' section should be for, given enough participants and a functioning matchmaking system. You'd still have an overall rank vs all players though.

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whats even worse is that competitive is dying.   I use to be ranked 62.   Now I don't really have a chance in hell of winning a match against guys that go -8 consistently.  And I basically just see the same couple people all the time now,  if i avoid playing them. That means there is noone to play, they've already ragequit the playerbase in my timezone.    Makes me regret buying the game.  This is the most important aspect of the game to me.  You can add all the other problems to the list though lol.  But i buy online games to compete with others.     Can't blame EA for not caring  about multiplay options or any controls the users want.  They probably rightfully resent them.  Of course this was a cash grab. But I should have known better and not got my hopes up.  Online Gaming died 15 years ago because of cheaters and the uncompetitiveness.  Again,  you just don't understand what the word even means.