taking shots
I would rather take a lesser swing on a higher club than a full swing on a shot I don't want to take, i.e. say 157 yards to pins, default 9I wind the face, I would rather club up to an 8I and take le...
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@Mickstudio1308 He's saying you can't bring the aimpoint in more than 5 yards or so on approach shots. You can't accurately swing the power meter to 75% if you want. The game should let you aim at any distance that you'd like that is less than 100%, but it limits you unless you are on finesse, which lets you bring in your aimpoint significantly.
@packattack04082 wrote:
@Mickstudio1308He's saying you can't bring the aimpoint in more than 5 yards or so on approach shots. You can't accurately swing the power meter to 75% if you want. The game should let you aim at any distance that you'd like that is less than 100%, but it limits you unless you are on finesse, which lets you bring in your aimpoint significantly.
So you are saying that you want the game to allow you to dial-in the exact distance you want to hit the ball?
If that is the case why not just let us put the reticule right on top of the hole, and expect it to land there?
@ELF014That's not what I am saying. I was just explaining to Mick what Roasted was asking for. This isn't my own personal request.
On the other side, I don't think there is anything wrong with being able to aim where you want. Why would that be a problem when you can do that with finesse shots? Also, even if you aimed directly at the hole every shot, your shot results still depend on your power (overswing/underswing) and tempo which make huge differences to dispersion and distance control. You are making it sound like people are requesting the ability to aim in the hole and if they hit it right, the ball will just land in the hole.
@packattack04082 wrote:
@ELF014That's not what I am saying. I was just explaining to Mick what Roasted was asking for. This isn't my own personal request.Sorry, that wasn't directed at you. I'm just not sure what people want... this game is already way to easy as it is. Which I wouldn't have an issue with if EA had given a thought to the other group of people that would have liked to have has a chance to enjoy the game.
This game caters to the arcade/casual player more than to being a serious golf simulation. Where it could have been both.
"This game caters to the arcade/casual player more than to being a serious golf simulation. Where it could have been both". I doubt that? Everything they do seems to cater to the Simmers and make it harder for arcade/casual players.
@SlimDown57 wrote:This game caters to the arcade/casual player more than to being a serious golf simulation. Where it could have been both. I doubt that? Everything they do seems to cater to the Simmers and make it harder for arcade/casual players.
Not only you're right, but I now know for a fact it's true. But it's never going to be good enough and the devs know it.
@SlimDown57 wrote:This game caters to the arcade/casual player more than to being a serious golf simulation. Where it could have been both. I doubt that? Everything they do seems to cater to the Simmers and make it harder for arcade/casual players.
They should make a game that caters to arcade/casuals and also Simmers like they do in UFC 5. Simmers can get their requests for a simulation experience but does not affect the arcade experience like the following rain cloud in Bugs Bunny. Having more options to turn off/on simmer options would be a good starting point.
@SlimDown57 wrote:This game caters to the arcade/casual player more than to being a serious golf simulation. Where it could have been both. I doubt that? Everything they do seems to cater to the Simmers and make it harder for arcade/casual players.
If this game wasn't catered to arcade/casual players I doubt that we would all be shooting scores in the 40's and 50's.
I don't think anymore needs to be said. Even at the most difficult settings I can configure in this game I still score under par without much effort.
On its rival. . on the most difficult settings I can configure, under par means I played an outstanding round (and probably a friendly course). The norm would be in the single digits, and double digits are not unusual.
@ELF014 wrote:On its rival. . on the most difficult settings I can configure, under par means I played an outstanding round (and probably a friendly course). The norm would be in the single digits, and double digits are not unusual.
Well 2 of the top lead designers of this game are now working for 2K, maybe they will crank up some RNG to go with tempo to make it a little bit more challenging for PGA 2K25. It should be very interesting to see what PGA 2K25 will look like later this year.
@Katybee_1313 wrote:
@ELF014 wrote:On its rival. . on the most difficult settings I can configure, under par means I played an outstanding round (and probably a friendly course). The norm would be in the single digits, and double digits are not unusual.
Well 2 of the top lead designers of this game are now working for 2K, maybe they will crank up some RNG to go with tempo to make it a little bit more challenging for PGA 2K25. It should be very interesting to see what PGA 2K25 will look like later this year.
I dont know i have read 2k21 was more challenging.
@SlimDown57 wrote:
I dont know i have read 2k21 was more challenging.It was, so much the TGC Tour started to play at the Pro mode because both Legend and Master were too hard. 😃
The game is too much easy for the moment and I think that the start of this post was about hitting a 7 iron instead of a 8 iron and doing a 3/4 swing. This is possible. You take your 7 iron and you do an half swing. You don't need to put the arrow at the right place, just hit a golf shot.
@SlimDown57 wrote:.I dont know i have read 2k21 was more challenging.
I have owned all the games, and I would argue 2K23 is more difficult. If I remember they took a few golf shots out of the game u der certain situations and there is much more roll out as the greens have gotten much faster.
I don't think you can call 2K hard until you turn off all the aids, play on LEGEND swing settings.
All the pundits I see on youtube play on PRO/ MASTER with the reticule and green grids enabled. Also with wind speed, elevation difference and percentage loss enabled. Try playing without it... it is a different game.
I am not saying that this is the right way to play, what I am saying is 2K provided something for everyone. If you want arcade type play... you can turn off all the aids and play with an BEGINNER swing tempo. Or you can go FULL LEGEND with everything disabled at least you have an option.
With EA you get basically a full on ARCADE type experience or at best a game for the CASUAL golf fan to excel at.
I'm not ok with the label of the arcade game for EA. I will not talk about the 2K one because I don't like it at all. For the EA game the fact that it's too easy for good player to score great game doesn't make it an arcade gameplay.
The arcade label seems to tell that the gameplay of the game isn't right. But when I play on sim difficulty withtout any meter, the swing feeling and the way I think of my golf shot are like in real life. Swinging perfect swing are too easy, but the thinking and the mechanics are good.
@ELF014 wrote:
@SlimDown57 wrote:.I dont know i have read 2k21 was more challenging.
I have owned all the games, and I would argue 2K23 is more difficult. If I remember they took a few golf shots out of the game u der certain situations and there is much more roll out as the greens have gotten much faster.
I don't think you can call 2K hard until you turn off all the aids, play on LEGEND swing settings.
All the pundits I see on youtube play on PRO/ MASTER with the reticule and green grids enabled. Also with wind speed, elevation difference and percentage loss enabled. Try playing without it... it is a different game.
I am not saying that this is the right way to play, what I am saying is 2K provided something for everyone. If you want arcade type play... you can turn off all the aids and play with an BEGINNER swing tempo. Or you can go FULL LEGEND with everything disabled at least you have an option.
"With EA you get basically a full on ARCADE type experience or at best a game for the CASUAL golf fan to excel at".
As long as they have "RNG" EA PGA tour is not a ARCADE game. IMHO
@Mickstudio1308 wrote:I'm not ok with the label of the arcade game for EA. I will not talk about the 2K one because I don't like it at all. For the EA game the fact that it's too easy for good player to score great game doesn't make it an arcade gameplay.
The arcade label seems to tell that the gameplay of the game isn't right. But when I play on sim difficulty withtout any meter, the swing feeling and the way I think of my golf shot are like in real life. Swinging perfect swing are too easy, but the thinking and the mechanics are good.
I guess we can agree to disagree.
When I play EA it is on Sim settings with whatever else I can disable.
While I do like the swing much better than 2K's... the shot physics are lacking in EA. The roll out on mid to long irons seem off. And the spin on short irons are exaggerated... short shots around the green are ridiculous. You can flop the ball from any ball lie, location and the ball will stick where it lands like the ball has spikes.
The putting mechanics are not very realistic, in my opinion it should be velocity based. But it does match up with the rest of the game. You put the reticule where you want the ball to land and hit the ball.
RNG while it can be prevalent in the game... if you stay in the underswing I have found that the RNG is negligible.
So in my opinion... it is Simcade at best.
- @ELF014 I agree with you, the roll and spin of the ball are a little bit exagerated on both side. The lie doesn't affect the ball like it should. For the putting, my opinion is that the gameplay mechanic is ok and realistic, but the green are not fast enough.
I think the game is amazing but the only thing I can criticize about the EA team is that they don't seem to put much effort into the game and they don't listen to the community. I know I'm going to get lingered on this forum but due to the way this game was sold, EA needs to listen to the simmers community.
@Mickstudio1308 wrote:
@ELF014I agree with you, the roll and spin of the ball are a little bit exagerated on both side. The lie doesn't affect the ball like it should. For the putting, my opinion is that the gameplay mechanic is ok and realistic, but the green are not fast enough.
I think the game is amazing but the only thing I can criticize about the EA team is that they don't seem to put much effort into the game and they don't listen to the community. I know I'm going to get lingered on this forum but due to the way this game was sold, EA needs to listen to the simmers community.This game was built with a mode called Arcade? So people who play arcade mode should have NO say? The community is more than just the "simmers".
@SlimDown57 wrote:
@Mickstudio1308 wrote:
@ELF014I agree with you, the roll and spin of the ball are a little bit exagerated on both side. The lie doesn't affect the ball like it should. For the putting, my opinion is that the gameplay mechanic is ok and realistic, but the green are not fast enough.
I think the game is amazing but the only thing I can criticize about the EA team is that they don't seem to put much effort into the game and they don't listen to the community. I know I'm going to get lingered on this forum but due to the way this game was sold, EA needs to listen to the simmers community.This game was built with a mode called Arcade? So people who play arcade mode should have NO say? The community is more than just the "simmers".
I don't think that is what @Mickstudio1308 is suggesting. I believe he is saying since the game was basically marketed as a sim... that more effort should be made to it make closer to being one.
But a revelation just popped into my head... maybe this is what the designers of this game believes is a simulation.
If that is the case... then we just have a mismatch of philosophies. Maybe I am expecting too much from EA.
- @ELF014 I'm ok with the fact that you can add some helper for the player that want to play a more arcade game. But the question is not to satisfy simmers or satisfy arcade players, it is about creating a game that comes as realistically as possible to the real sport of golf. I want to play to a golf video game because I love the sport of golf. This is not a question about "hard" or "easy", it is about the sport of golf and all it's difficulty. I don't want the game to be harder, I want the game to be more real.
- @SlimDown57 You are right, but with all the difficulty setting and all the helper available that make the game easier, I think that EA has already listen to the arcade community and that you have everything you need.
@Mickstudio1308 wrote:
@ELF014I'm ok with the fact that you can add some helper for the player that want to play a more arcade game. But the question is not to satisfy simmers or satisfy arcade players, it is about creating a game that comes as realistically as possible to the real sport of golf. I want to play to a golf video game because I love the sport of golf. This is not a question about "hard" or "easy", it is about the sport of golf and all it's difficulty. I don't want the game to be harder, I want the game to be more real.For putting... and I would like this option in all swing settings; would to be able to disable the reticule. So you would have to eyeball every shot you line up... and distance would be controlled by how hard you hit the ball along with the length of swing. ie. Velocity based.
In real life you can take a putter back 6 inches and stroke it 6 feet or 60 feet. The same is true for full and partial shots.
Currently you just setup the distance you want and execute your shot. Granted there is a little under/over swing that effects distance, but I feel it is more realistic to remove this all together for those that want it.
But I agree it isn't about hard or easy... it is about trying to bring this sport as close as possible to our homes.
As I said maybe my expectations were too high. That while packaged as a sim, EA doesn't have it in them.
They probably make Sim not hardcore because so few are playing it. It has always been the case. The only Sim I'm playing is the free Sim Daily tournament, and that's where the majority are trying Sim. Only 44 golfers have entered the Sim daily tournament so far with an entrance fee, that's it. The few times I entered Arcade and Pro and had a decent score, I was ranked 500 and something. And I've got a feeling there's a lot of golfers playing Tour, that's all that was available to play head to head for a long time.
Make it hard to find.
