3 Cards that need a NERF IMO
In my opinion,these cards should be nerfed.
Gargologist-cost increased to 3.
This card is basically a better upgrade to flag zombie,and changing it to a 2/3 for 3 is balanced.
defensive end:a...
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@daalnnii wrote:
You're assuming being able to destroy it the turn its played means balance. Sweet potato costs one. It'll take the hit and give you time to destroy it.
Spells aren't the only way to get rid of big minions.
I play plants exclusively... taco league and still climbing. Change your deck to match the meta, or keep crying. Either way, i don't care anymore.
Some of you need to learn how to lose... snh
"Sweet Potato costs one. it'll take a hit and give you time to destroy it."
Yeah, give your opponent the free card advantage. See what I mean? That's all Defensive End is: A free card advantage. There are only 2 actual trades with it the turn it is played, Mushroom Ringleader (if you're lucky) and Guacodile (God I love Guacodile. And yes, I could "change my deck to include Guacodile, then", but most of my Guardian decks already have 2-3 of them, and most Hearty decks have 2-3 Defensive Ends. You can only draw so many Guacodiles).
And yeah, for the most part, plants and Zombies are equal (even though that completely goes against my most recent thread. I guess I changed my mind).
"Some of you need to learn how to lose"
I love losing and changing my decks/heroes, but whenever I actively lose to one specific combo or card no matter what deck/hero/play style I use, that's when I say it's unfair. It's like if Rock beat both Scissors and Paper.
I dont see how it's a card advantage... you can put sweet potato in front of any minion. It's a low health walnut that can also move the enemy to the lane... it will also buff cards like muscle sprout to make them be able to kill def end easily. On top of that, it leaves you plenty of sun to play another minion the same turn giving yourself card advantage. Don't know if you can tell, i love that card haha
Just because you don't know the answer doesn't mean there isn't one? Just because you can't play the cards you wanted that turn doesn't mean it's unfair.
Is it strong? Sure, but I've won many games by turn 5 without ever using it. Ive beaten it multiple times (without doom shroom (which is a great counter) , and lost to it many as well.
You can't win them all.
If you're solar flare, plop grapes of wrath in front of it.... then you trade and do 6 damage to them.
Figure it out... but read these forums. Look how many times people ask for nerfs... there are bound to be some you'll smack your head on and go, "really?" Because you know it isn't and you beat it a lot.
Maybe you're using the wrong deck and hero, maybe they had better cards draw. Maybe they just have better cards and more experience (doubtful... i know you're a good player). But nerf is rarely the answer.
Also wanted to apologize for being snide. Guac, youre cool in my book. Just gettin frustrated with nerf threads is all.
Just because you don't know the answer doesn't mean there isn't one? Just because you can't play the cards you wanted that turn doesn't mean it's unfair.
Is it strong? Sure, but I've won many games by turn 5 without ever using it. Ive beaten it multiple times (without doom shroom (which is a great counter) , and lost to it many as well.
You can't win them all.
If you're solar flare, plop grapes of wrath in front of it.... then you trade and do 6 damage to them.
Figure it out... but read these forums. Look how many times people ask for nerfs... there are bound to be some you'll smack your head on and go, "really?" Because you know it isn't and you beat it a lot.
Maybe you're using the wrong deck and hero, maybe they had better cards draw. Maybe they just have better cards and more experience (doubtful... i know you're a good player). But nerf is rarely the answer.
Also wanted to apologize for being snide. Guac, youre cool in my book. Just gettin frustrated with nerf threads is all.
@daalnnii wrote:
I dont see how it's a card advantage... you can put sweet potato in front of any minion. It's a low health walnut that can also move the enemy to the lane... it will also buff cards like muscle sprout to make them be able to kill def end easily. On top of that, it leaves you plenty of sun to play another minion the same turn giving yourself card advantage. Don't know if you can tell, i love that card haha
Just because you don't know the answer doesn't mean there isn't one? Just because you can't play the cards you wanted that turn doesn't mean it's unfair.
Is it strong? Sure, but I've won many games by turn 5 without ever using it. Ive beaten it multiple times (without doom shroom (which is a great counter) , and lost to it many as well.
You can't win them all.
If you're solar flare, plop grapes of wrath in front of it.... then you trade and do 6 damage to them.
Figure it out... but read these forums. Look how many times people ask for nerfs... there are bound to be some you'll smack your head on and go, "really?" Because you know it isn't and you beat it a lot.
Maybe you're using the wrong deck and hero, maybe they had better cards draw. Maybe they just have better cards and more experience (doubtful... i know you're a good player). But nerf is rarely the answer.
Also wanted to apologize for being snide. Guac, youre cool in my book. Just gettin frustrated with nerf threads is all.@daalnnii Sorry, I just get really "confused" sometimes. You ever have that feeling where you're totally on one side of the debate, but the other person is so reasonable that you agree with them very much, yet you still won't change your mind? I've felt that way about balance issues with this game for a while. It's like I completely agree that people need to stop complaining and change their decks, but I also agree that there are some cards in this game that have a much higher "win rate" compared to other cards, and they should probably be nerfed. I just don't know what to think anymore. I guess in the end, it doesn't matter, and Popcap/EA is going to do whatever the heck they want no matter if we say "no balance changes" or "lotsa balance changes".
Oh, and as for my "skill level", I'd say my general win rate is 55-65%. I'm a rank 23, but I never play ranked because of fear of going into another lose streak
because of stuff likeDefensive End.One last thing: I thought playing Sweet Potato was a card disadvantage because you're using multiple cards to trade with one. But I forgot that Sweet Potato can protect something, like Mushroom Ringleader, giving you a board advantage.
- I can see that inner confusion. But, and to be honest, it's rarely cards that high in cost that i consider OP. They should be powerful and make you scramble a bit. The games are short. It's the cards like bananasaurus and repeat moss i consider more op (i abuse the hell outta them with cc, i know you got to pvzheroesdecks, you should check the overgrowth deck i run, it's stupid.) You can get them out early and it's rare they van be taken care of... especially with cards like sweet potato to block and help clear the board while they get stronger.
Def end is definitely strong. There's no doubt. It's a game changer, but again, i think for the cost it's not overpowered, just a pain. Add to that the fact that EVERYONE is running it, and it can get old.
The good news, though, check out some of the cards on their way. They'll go a long way in shaking up the meta.
@daalnnii wrote:
I can see that inner confusion. But, and to be honest, it's rarely cards that high in cost that i consider OP. They should be powerful and make you scramble a bit. The games are short. It's the cards like bananasaurus and repeat moss i consider more op (i abuse the hell outta them with cc, i know you got to pvzheroesdecks, you should check the overgrowth deck i run, it's stupid.) You can get them out early and it's rare they van be taken care of... especially with cards like sweet potato to block and help clear the board while they get stronger.
Def end is definitely strong. There's no doubt. It's a game changer, but again, i think for the cost it's not overpowered, just a pain. Add to that the fact that EVERYONE is running it, and it can get old.
The good news, though, check out some of the cards on their way. They'll go a long way in shaking up the meta.Why do I get the feeling that the meta's going to stay the same, no matter what new cards are introduced.
