Balance: Both teams
I notice so many threads about plants being terrible or zombies being overpowered and yet there are also threads mentioning how the teams are damn near perfect balance. I personally believe the game ...
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I see alots of people suggesting shotgun for sunflower, but I'll make my state about it that it a no no for me, Sunflower primary weapon is actually nowhere near bad for fighting at close range right now. Giving her a shotgun would actually hurt her effectiveness at longer range more when anything, as she will be forced to aim for that which slow her quite a bit.
Of course,I don't mind a variant with that exact gimmick,but changing all sunflower to be a pseudo scientist is just bleh as well as being too much work to balance those anyway.
(Additionally,it good to have some good balance talk for once and not just insult being thrown everywhere,I'll read those more deeply in a bit and respond to those with more detail)
@Boolerex wrote:I see alots of people suggesting shotgun for sunflower, but I'll make my state about it that it a no no for me, Sunflower primary weapon is actually nowhere near bad for fighting at close range right now. Giving her a shotgun would actually hurt her effectiveness at longer range more when anything, as she will be forced to aim for that which slow her quite a bit.
Of course,I don't mind a variant with that exact gimmick,but changing all sunflower to be a pseudo scientist is just bleh as well as being too much work to balance those anyway.
(Additionally,it good to have some good balance talk for once and not just insult being thrown everywhere,I'll read those more deeply in a bit and respond to those with more detail)
I like you boolerex lol. I try not to lean towards one team even though a lot was strengthen some plants and weaken some zombies. But overall, I want many peoples opinions and reasonable ones. I know many people want a class as a whole buffed and that is just so way too drastic a change.
Glad to respond. I suppose I'll clarify a few things and respond a little bit more.
QoL + Chomper:
I've never consciously noticed the issue myself, but apparently the issue is that the camera goes in the wrong direction you want it to when you burrow. Making you waste valuable burrow time to adjust it.
I'm fine with the standard burrow time too, I only tacked that on to go along with the Burrow hiding your icon suggestion TBH. (AKA more time to set up an ambush on the icon reliant zombies)
That being said, I'd like to see sprint burrow get some love - maybe I'm crazy, but it feels shorter than it was in the first game. Used to run it on my Armor Chomper to compensate for his poor speed - and because nobody expects it. Buffing the Toxic Aura'd be nice as well for a few variants.
Citron:
I love playing Citron if I can - I like stomping people at close/mid range with Stock or screwing with people (especially barreled deadbeards or imps) using the Frost. I've always found it strange that the Frost Citron actually does more damage than stock (of course at the cost of a much shorter beam duration).
Rose:
Yeah, it's painful for me to consider it too. I abhorred the Rose spam as much as anyone in her reign of terror, but at the very least she should get back to 125 hp in the next patch.
Corn:
I don't play corn a lot these days because usually there's like 3-4 others playing him. I only really play Mob Cob to look classier as I kill people. (It doesn't take much because my stock corn looks like a Banana Split thanks to the legendary hat) He feels weaker than stock because his penetrating shots never seem to work. I feel that fixing that might draw people away from the BBQ Corn - that or make the Mob Cob do slight splash damage on hits.
Scientist:
Oh the MB is exactly the same as he was in the last game. It's just that you see so much more of him (or the Zoologist) these days because Fire got nerfed. I just feel that slightly nerfing the MB's fire rate might let some of the other variants see some use. And yeah, it's easier to hit the point blank shots now thanks to the new engine.
Deadbeard:
Flameface is FINE at range. His close range attacks however, are laughable because they barely do more upfront damage than the scoped ones and you waste a shot for a measly TWO extra damage. (no damage buff) To make it even more pathetic, there's no change in the burn damage either.
So yeah, either buff the close ranged damage, clip size, or make his shotty use one ammo per shot.
Yeah, the Detonate variants are a little clunky. (My hands hurt if I try and play one seriously for too long) They have amazing waveclear (useful in Ops) if you have time things correctly. Cannon's got it worse than Flameface in close range though.
Super Brainz:
That's a very interesting idea - but unfortunately, it might add clutter thanks to Toxic Brainz's bar unless it's integrated correctly. I'll expand on this in a manner that may accommodate the bar idea. (Warning, it's Crazy. And probably horribly unbalanced. Sounds kinda fun though.)
Give all the variants a light "legendary mode" (no damage/speed increase - save that for TB) charged by their fists, only letting them use the ranged beams while scoped, as well as having close ranged eye lasers replacing their fists in this state. The latter state drains the bar faster, but is potent against groups. It forces the Superheroes to get up close so you'll see less beam snipers.
Need to ask, are you on the PC? Even IF some variants of Sunflower got a Shotgun, she would need a movement speed boost of 200%, or a warp like ability in order to pull it off. Or once again she is just going to be a sitting duck defensive character where the Scientist always gets the jump.
Things on a console are slightly different, by the time you've turned around you're dead. There's no way you can outgun a Scientist unless he's at range, and he's walking in a straight line towards you, which requires you to be trailing way behind your team mates like a lost little child looking for their parents. No use at all.
Damn, you're spamming out your own thread! 😉
Cactus, Rose and Sunflower should all get a Shotgun if you ask me.
- Cactus is too vulnerable against close players.
- Rose no longer has a reason to use her zoom, she's bad anyway.
- Sunflower has no CC, she should have an insta kill Shotgun so nobody goes near her.
I agree with your shotgun assessment in that it'd be rather pointless to give her one with her movement speed, and abilities. It's so effective with the scientist because he has 2 teleports to instantly close the gap on someone, and actually get behind them, plus he's insanely fast. The computer scientist is very fast with his speed upgrade. I hate the idea of giving anyone a shotgun actually. I hip fire with the sunflower quite a bit, and if replace it with a shotgun it'll make her more ineffective than anything else. It's stupid. She doesn't have the means to be in the front of any battles.
I think what they should really do. Seriously. Is replace the Dark Flower ability with the Bonk Choy! Like the picture EA_Andy put up. But when it punches someone it actually stuns them! Yes... So you sacrifice the heal pot for the Bonk Choy but stay close to it and it WILL protect you against close range types, and actually give you a fighting chance against the annoying close range guys like the Super Brainz, or the Scientist. It'd be such a great idea! Thanks EA_Andy for the inspiration!
