1) Valkyrie is just *, easily 12-18 dmg and then with one 'zombie does extra attack' your hero dies.
2) Power flower, 3 dmg with strikethrough and 5 hp. None of zombie tricks can really destroy this one. Also Heal hero ability, mby if this was legendary card....
3) Repeat-moss, only way to counter this is kill enemy before he can build it and have extra sun for trick.
What else?
@jdm23133 wrote:
@megraam wrote:
What is oak is placed on a tapped out turn?
What if Walrus is placed on a turn when you have no direct damage or amphibious cards? And what if said walrus is synergized with other imps? They both have strong suits, and they both have counters. Poison Oak is fine.
Then it does 6 damage while oak does 9.
Lets see what the weakest class against each of both can do against it with a single card.
walrus still costs only 5 and if you happen to be Solar Flare you can do Exactly three things: Three Headed Chomper, Carnucopia or Smash Pumpkin. Both Plant solutions Cost more than the Walrus itself and Pumpkin is at the same Curvespot. So you got 1 reasonable 1-1 trade option with the weakest class against walrus.
now for Counterplay against Oak: EVERY. SINGLE. ZOMBIE. Literaly every single Zombie you can play can block the damage for you and a vast amount of zombies can also kill the oak. Obviously some cards are more efficient than others. but seriously. you can always just chump-block it.
@wonoz wrote:
Lets see what the weakest class against each of both can do against it with a single card.
walrus still costs only 5 and if you happen to be Solar Flare you can do Exactly three things: Three Headed Chomper, Carnucopia or Smash Pumpkin. Both Plant solutions Cost more than the Walrus itself and Pumpkin is at the same Curvespot. So you got 1 reasonable 1-1 trade option with the weakest class against walrus.now for Counterplay against Oak: EVERY. SINGLE. ZOMBIE. Literaly every single Zombie you can play can block the damage for you and a vast amount of zombies can also kill the oak. Obviously some cards are more efficient than others. but seriously. you can always just chump-block it.
Ever heard of, you know, Squash? Or Sizzle? Or kernel corn? Cherry bomb?
Now for counterplay against oak: none since it's played on the open lane of tapped out zombie player, or ANY non-smarty zombie player at all w/o locust swarm access.
You fail to understand the very basics of PVZH, which is turn order. Everything is being built around it and the strongest decks right now are those which can turn it around or ignore it: Grave nep by playing with gravestones, valkprof by playing teleport or moss variations.
Did you just tell me I fail to understand the Concept of sequence and suggested a 8 sun Kernel Corn as an answer for walrus?
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really? What am I supposed to say to this?
Most of the time the Zombie turn sequence is favorable and most Zombie Decks abuse the * out of this. And then there is Oak that does the very same and it brings salty tears to your eyes because you can´t mindlessly tap out if you happen to be at <10 health with an open lane (-water *cough*) and no way to fill them all up past turn 6?
Sorry but I indeed fail to see why a threat that requires you to play around is that much more unfair than its counterpart.
-If you dont have an answer in hand for Walrus or Oak they will probably erradicate you.
-If you HAVE an answer but something else kills you if you have to use it to adress Oak or Walrus the game is already lost anyway. It just closes maybe 1 turn earlier (which both cards are probably designed for. Don´t blame other for playing efficient cards.)
-If you HAVE an anwer and Walrus or Oak drops can threaten you....maybe uhh....don´t tap out? Is it really that harmful that a card requires you to spend second thoughts about your need of initiative?
@wonoz wrote:
Did you just tell me I fail to understand the Concept of sequence and suggested a 8 sun Kernel Corn as an answer for walrus?
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really? What am I supposed to say to this?
If you list 10 sun cornucopia, why not? However for some reason you have listed a 6/5 non-amphibious plant as an answer as well so maybe you are a bit delusional, or not a bit at all but yes, Kernel corn is a possible answer.
@wonoz wrote:
Most of the time the Zombie turn sequence is favorable and most Zombie Decks abuse the * out of this.
This is exactly why you fail to understand the order of turns in PVZH. No, Zombie turn sequence is much less favorable to them because 95% of time they have to play their threats before plants, so plants can respond to their threats with tricks and creatures while zombies can respond with tricks only. Plants don't telegraph anything unlike zombies.
@wonoz wrote:
-If you HAVE an anwer and Walrus or Oak drops can threaten you....maybe uhh....don´t tap out? Is it really that harmful that a card requires you to spend second thoughts about your need of initiative?
So you think a plants player can tap out before zombie player threatens him with walrus (outside of 1 broken card available in this regard to 1 hero only).
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Please educate yourself on a concept of which turn comes after which one in this game before restarting your "don't nerf me bro" whine.
I listed Carnucopia as an option and said it is not really viable as an "answer" card IN THE SAME SENTENCE. Three Headed is an option to kill amphibious Zombies with flare. So whats delusional about that?
So you tell me that Zombie turn order is worse. Why....exactly? Gravestones trigger and target AFTER the Plants played their stuff and are (besides one single card) absolutely untouchable. After that they get a Trick phase in which they can react however they like to pretty much everything the plants did. I mean you can try to struggle yourself out of your own claim that 2/3 of the most popular Deck DO ABUSE the superior Traits of Trickphase and untouchable Gravestones. They ABUSE their FAVORABLE options. Repeat Moss kills you pre combat with bonus attacks. Thats pretty much what EVERY Super Brainz deck does. Zombies oftentimes just can´t deal with it for some reason. Plants can not hide behind gravestones to dodge Tricksters or Valks. What exactly is favourable about beeing exposed?
However, you got your opinion about this and thats fine to me. No need to try push me into a 'you fail to comprehend the concept of sequence' corner to justify beeing a *.
whelp. I guess we won't get to a spot we can both agree on. so let's call it a day here. this is pointless.
@wonoz wrote:
whelp. I guess we won't get to a spot we can both agree on. so let's call it a day here. this is pointless.
Trust me, arguing with him is a waste of time.
