Direct team swap is terrible
I've joined several multiplayer games that the player skill is terribly unbalanced! What's worse? After the match the game simply swap the team of plant and the team of zombie, which means that the...
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@jnicol1975 Anyone that games with me knows I switch the the losing team 99% of the time teams are unfair. I wish the matchmaking was better and team swap was completely removed so games would be balanced the majority of the time instead of unfair.
@ippig Yes, some good ideas there! I do just wish it wasn't an issue in the first place, though.
@jnicol1975 I'd get auto-switched a lot too, especially when mid-ranked. It was always annoying when you were with a friend & you'd been on the same team to start with then got mixed up, even though the size of the lobby hadn't changed!
@spIash_damage Yes. I often switch to the outnumbered team as well, particularly if they're on the attack.
When it gets really silly, is when you move to help, then half your original team starts switching because you did & suddenly the other team's at a disadvantage! 😂
@jnicol1975 I'd get auto-switched a lot too, especially when mid-ranked. It was always annoying when you were with a friend & you'd been on the same team to start with then got mixed up, even though the size of the lobby hadn't changed!
@spIash_damage Yes. I often switch to the outnumbered team as well, particularly if they're on the attack.
When it gets really silly, is when you move to help, then half your original team starts switching because you did & suddenly the other team's at a disadvantage! 😂
Switching to the larger team should never be possible. Honestly the only time I feel team switching is ok is when the match starts, but before it gets going, and if one side is much smaller than the other due to people leaving and you switch to the smaller one to help balance it.
This is one thing I thought for sure they'd do a better job on in BfN after how bad it gets in both GW games at times.
@Iron_Guard8 wrote:Switching to the larger team should never be possible. Honestly the only time I feel team switching is ok is when the match starts, but before it gets going, and if one side is much smaller than the other due to people leaving and you switch to the smaller one to help balance it.
This is one thing I thought for sure they'd do a better job on in BfN after how bad it gets in both GW games at times.
If this isn’t addressed, I’ll only play Battle Arena (or any mode that team swap can’t hinder).
It’s a shame but I’m done trying to find fun lobbies.
- @spIash_damage I'm wondering how much of it is the challenges messing things up. It's been SO much worse the last few days, even worse than in the other games. I love turf but have ended up staying in PvE or Ops as much as I possibly can, because I'm just not enjoying it atm.
@ToastedSarnie wrote:
@spIash_damageI'm wondering how much of it is the challenges messing things up. It's been SO much worse the last few days, even worse than in the other games. I love turf but have ended up staying in PvE or Ops as much as I possibly can, because I'm just not enjoying it atm.I’m directly referencing uneven teams and especially the team swap glitch.
Uneven teams are something I battled almost 2 years and it’s no fun anymore.
@ToastedSarnie wrote:
@spIash_damageI'm wondering how much of it is the challenges messing things up. It's been SO much worse the last few days, even worse than in the other games.There is another thread where people are asking for switching teams to be made easier, for precisely this reason. They need to be a zombie/plant to complete a daily challenge, and will switch teams so they can complete the challenge faster.
Personally I haven’t found uneven teams to be a problem in BFN yet. There is usually at least one full TT match going on Xbox Australia servers, so empty spots get filled up quickly. Not sure about other modes, since TT is mainly what I play.
@spIash_damageNo, I understand that - been there, done that, it's not fun ☹
ADDED: @jnicol1975 Maybe I should try hopping onto the Australian server!! 😂
- @jnicol1975 finding a playable match is already difficult on PC, especially on Asia server. About the daily challenges, I think the problem is not on the team switch, it's the challenges that are poorly designed.
- @DarkLanX Team switch has always been a problem, but I think you're right that the challenges (& people's frustration) are making things worse atm.
Maybe there should be a daily challenge of staying on your allocated team for 3 matches in a row!!! 🤣 Actually had a bunch of good matches yesterday, had really close matches in 5 games of TT in a row. Had a couple people swap to stay plant or zombie but they swapped at setup and not mid-match.
Not saying they don't need to fix the team swap issues, they're definitely a real thing, but when people don't do that and the teams are fairly balanced the game really shines. PC NA East is doing well right now, even with some people still having issues (we need another PC and general lag patch for all platforms soon).
- @Iron_Guard8 Yes, I particularly hope for PC users that there's something soon. Xbox Europe so far hasn't been bad for lag at all, but was really awful yesterday for no apparent reason! Hopefully we'll hear about patch/update soon - not long til release at all now
When the servers are new/full, this issue isn't glaring in your face but the moment servers die down a little and people learn how to manipulate lobbies, I fear it will plague BfN as bad as the others.
Here's to hoping I'm wrong.
@spIash_damage agreed. They really need to treat this seriously. I love that I can jump in/out of matches any time I want but if you can swap teams like in GW 1 and 2, it can really ruin the experience, especially for new people.
There was some event in the portal in GW2 and @Gormey and I swapped to the smaller, losing team, to help balance stuff out for at least a match or two, but usually people swap the other way, making it worse. =/
@Iron_Guard8 I had over 1,000 GW2 screenshots where the teams would be a minimum of 3 or 4 to 1. I had hundreds where I'd be facing 5+ (sometimes TWELVE max rank players).
It got to a point I could play less than 10% of the time in a fun lobby. Found FULL lobbies all day but they would have "teams" of gaming clans beating up noobs.
The number one reason a good shooter flops (fails) is server bullying of any sort. I truly believe this is the sole reason GW2 wasn't extremely successful.
Team balance is a joke, was a problem in garden warfare to. Should be like team fortress 2 and server just forces balance team if u like it or not. Check image I attached below that was turf takeover just now. I just left.
- Players who switch to the winning side should have zero coins awarded for the match.
We should only be able to swap before the first round starts IF there's room. If people drop out, they should be replaced by AIs until a new player comes in (who should not be able to change teams). I really, really don't understand whyyyyyy this is still a problem . . . . 😖
@ToastedSarnie wrote:
Players who switch to the winning side should have zero coins awarded for the match.
We should only be able to swap before the first round starts IF there's room. If people drop out, they should be replaced by AIs until a new player comes in (who should not be able to change teams). I really, really don't understand whyyyyyy this is still a problem . . . . 😖We’ve been complaining about Team Swap going on 2 years now. 😢
@FarQM8 wrote:Team balance is a joke, was a problem in garden warfare to. Should be like team fortress 2 and server just forces balance team if u like it or not. Check image I attached below that was turf takeover just now. I just left.
I've mentioned this before too. I've been in some TF2 matches where I've been swapped to the losing team, seen the teams get heavily scrambled after a blowout, etc. It can be annoying, especially if you are leveling particular characters, but it makes for a better game when you can't have matches that are 6 on 2 or worse. Plus to be honest, I get a large amount of satisfaction when in TF2 I get swapped to the losing team and we pull out a win afterwards. Edit: for those that haven't played TF2, you don't level in that game, or at least you didn't last time I played, the leveling I refer to is if they added team swap here.
The team swapping issue been a pain since GW1 and I honestly thought it'd be one of the first things they would have fixed here. It's disconcerting that it's still a thing.
