Do we really have a chance to see GW3?
At present, there is no news about the new GW. I don't have a switch. I don't know if BFN is still being updated. I hope the game is still being updated. Will there be GW3 in the future? I don't thin...
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@DecreeNo9 Gonna be a pessimistic guy here but probably not. Bfn flopped so hard that popcap vancouver practically died overnight while both gw1 and 2 skyrocketed past a year of support with news of a new game coming someday. Pvz 3 has no news about it's reboot and popcap doesn't answer any questions about it.
Outside of the sub reddit nobody knew bfn or pvz 3 existed or they did not like it, which goes to say how much the advertising failed at its job, even the switch port was blasted for being an incomplete game being sold as a finished one.
Bfn by definition is a franchise killer imo: no marketing of the game leading to poor sales, history of rushed development, rapid change of established gameplay formula for no real reason other than to try and copy more successful franchises yet these mechanics are introduced horribly (fossil fighters frontiers, black ops 4 zombies, and half of the battle royal genre), and trying desperately to piggyback off of new fans while alienating the previous auidience and getting no one.
People can like bfn all they want but that's just them liking a game rather than it actually being a good game.
I'll still join discussions about a potential gw3 but honestly unless popcap straight up makes it i doubt the franchise is in a good spot.
Outside of the sub reddit nobody knew bfn or pvz 3 existed or they did not like it, which goes to say how much the advertising failed at its job, even the switch port was blasted for being an incomplete game being sold as a finished one.
Bfn by definition is a franchise killer imo: no marketing of the game leading to poor sales, history of rushed development, rapid change of established gameplay formula for no real reason other than to try and copy more successful franchises yet these mechanics are introduced horribly (fossil fighters frontiers, black ops 4 zombies, and half of the battle royal genre), and trying desperately to piggyback off of new fans while alienating the previous auidience and getting no one.
People can like bfn all they want but that's just them liking a game rather than it actually being a good game.
I'll still join discussions about a potential gw3 but honestly unless popcap straight up makes it i doubt the franchise is in a good spot.
@stukapooka I can't really disagree with you here. I do like BfN more than most other series veterans, but it's still my least favorite of the 3, and the GW games have always had this niche they've occupied that made them successful, even if not to the level of some of the other multiplayer shooters out there. With ActiBlizz's current situation and seeing how much OW has declined in general, I really wish they would have stuck with the GW formula and just tweaked it a bit, instead of trying to integrate certain potions of that game, along with some others, into the PvZ shooters.
They did indeed try to keep us old guard while also trying to attract more 'mainstream' shooter players with BfN, but it obviously didn't go so well for them. In trying to expand their market share, while not advertising the game enough, releasing it too early, and making some decisions that even more supportive players like me are unhappy with, BfN while not a complete disaster, fell far short of the earlier games.
The lack of news is disheartening for sure; what is up with PvZ3? are you planning a new shooter, and if so, when? A new comic is coming out soon and we know they haven't abandoned PvZ as an IP as PvZ2 and all 3 current shooters are still playable and by all accounts, doing well, even BfN isn't faring that badly right now, so it would make sense to make a GW3. They have got to do a better job on a new shooter than they did with BfN, and this includes a likely return to GW style over BfN, while implementing some of BfN's better ideas. I for one am ready for a new game if it's a good one, but test it better, balance it better, moving and shooting have got to be better than BfN, market it better and have more dev communication, longer public beta, return to what worked while also innovating where they can, give us good maps, support it better, and give it a better economic model than BfN had. They've proven that GW wasn't a fluke with GW2 doing even better. I don't want BfN to be the end of these games, we need a new one, and soon, but not so soon that it's launched in a bad state.
- @Iron_Guard8 The fact that gw1 and 2 were as successful as they were really still drives the question of why fix what isn't broken? Why not instead just keep improving its flaws as no one was really in a burnout from the garden warfare formula?
These question keep me wondering what would've happened with gw if overwatch wasn't as popular as it was in 2016?@stukapooka I'm positive that they wanted to try to grow their market share of the hero shooter space and saw that back then that OW was doing even better than GW2 (sad though that is, I'm still playing GW and GW2 and even before all the Actibliz controversies I uninstalled OW a long time ago), and thought they could get some of that. The loot box system in OW is especially egregious even though it has its ardent defenders I've gotten into arguments with, if you've played it, you know how the system in GW and GW2 is so much better for getting stuff you want. I love how you never get repeats of items (barring consumables) in the packs, so you won't get the same hat over and over while you get a pittance of their in game money for that in OW, which got annoying in a hurry. So they wanted to make the game even bigger by making changes to try to appeal to more people and they ended up alienating large swathes of new folks and veterans, and we are where we are now thanks to that.
As to your second point, I believe we'd have gotten GW3 with some of the better ideas of BfN possibly worked into it, but it would have fully been a GW game, if not for OW and possibly the BR games, although thankfully, they never tried that with the games barring soil survivors, which is similar but works with the PvZ theme. I'd like to see that and capture the taco back in GW3!
- @Iron_Guard8 I think there will be GW3. I don't know if you have seen a game released by Ubisoft some time ago. It looks like hero shooting (or maybe not). If EA sees the success of the game, it may start to make GW3 or similar GW games, or a new IP
- @stukapooka Luckily it turned out mostly fine in the end with the TTK/TTV changes, the Founders build was awful and I feel bad for everyone who had to play that, but I'm sure the damage was already done at that point.
- @shurikeninja They did improve since foundeers but like you said the damafe was already done and alot of fans jumped ship and i can't say I blame them.
