@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:
Any arguments appart from the shotgun and some insults?
Tons. The sharkbite pirate shoots rapidly. Barrel blast and canon turret are way more useful than the mines and tallnuts. I mean no one even uses the tallnuts in GW2, they serve no purpose unlike in GW1.
The barrel provides either a powerful attack or a safe retreat which results in the cactus dying either by the explosion of by other zombies waiting for the pirate to come out.
Not to mention the wealth of other zombies that overpower the plants. Superbrains, scientists, imps just to name a few.
Any reasons for thinking that the zombies aren't overpowered other than for the sake of being a troll?
Sharkbite needs four shots to kill a Cacti and deals more damage than the majority, but most Cacti can even out due to their higher rate of fire. The Camo Cactus i perticuar wastly outclasses him, or at least, I do. The Potato mine is still as lethal as ever and can rack up tons of kills. The Cannon is mediocre at best. It only deals a reliable amount of damage if you continously score direct hits, which is unlikley (provided that youe opponent has a brain) and the splash damage is laughaball. As for th Barrel Blast, amost every Plant has a counter. The Chomper can goop the barrel and place a Spike Weed right under it and eat the Captain. The Peashooter can harass Deadbeard from a roof, making him unhitable by the barrel, and the Gatling is very good at countering it when you are on the ground level. Citron can jump on the roofs and is to mobile to be caught by the explosion. The Sunflower has the Sunbeam and can build up enough distance when the barrel is not lit, so she can escape. Rose can just Goatfy the Captain, dening his damage reduction or use her Arcane enigma. The Kernel just doesn't care and busts the barrel with a Husk Hop. The Cactus can place a Tallnut to block the Barrel and escape in the meantime, of course while laying Potato mines around corners to catch the persuing Deadbeard off guard. (And a lot of players forget about the Potato Mines when chasing a seemingly vunerable Cactus). Speeking about Tallnuts, they can still be used to mount in top of roofs, which is something the Captain can't do as easily, serve as an emergency block Imp Punts, Super Ultra Balls and ZPGs and hide some Potato mines when blocking a narrow pathway. Last but not least, the overpowering Zombies. Scientist and Super Brainz fall in the same category: the class designed to counter you, provided they get close. Counters: Potato mines placed around corners to bait them in, or just not letting them get close. And sometimes you just get lucky hipfiring. I hae to agree about the Imps, but it is only because of their Health, because you can usually hit them once or twice, but never three times in a row.
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:Sharkbite needs four shots to kill a Cacti and deals more damage than the majority, but most Cacti can even out due to their higher rate of fire. The Camo Cactus i perticuar wastly outclasses him, or at least, I do. The Potato mine is still as lethal as ever and can rack up tons of kills. The Cannon is mediocre at best. It only deals a reliable amount of damage if you continously score direct hits, which is unlikley (provided that youe opponent has a brain) and the splash damage is laughaball. As for th Barrel Blast, amost every Plant has a counter. The Chomper can goop the barrel and place a Spike Weed right under it and eat the Captain. The Peashooter can harass Deadbeard from a roof, making him unhitable by the barrel, and the Gatling is very good at countering it when you are on the ground level. Citron can jump on the roofs and is to mobile to be caught by the explosion. The Sunflower has the Sunbeam and can build up enough distance when the barrel is not lit, so she can escape. Rose can just Goatfy the Captain, dening his damage reduction or use her Arcane enigma. The Kernel just doesn't care and busts the barrel with a Husk Hop. The Cactus can place a Tallnut to block the Barrel and escape in the meantime, of course while laying Potato mines around corners to catch the persuing Deadbeard off guard. (And a lot of players forget about the Potato Mines when chasing a seemingly vunerable Cactus). Speeking about Tallnuts, they can still be used to mount in top of roofs, which is something the Captain can't do as easily, serve as an emergency block Imp Punts, Super Ultra Balls and ZPGs and hide some Potato mines when blocking a narrow pathway. Last but not least, the overpowering Zombies. Scientist and Super Brainz fall in the same category: the class designed to counter you, provided they get close. Counters: Potato mines placed around corners to bait them in, or just not letting them get close. And sometimes you just get lucky hipfiring. I hae to agree about the Imps, but it is only because of their Health, because you can usually hit them once or twice, but never three times in a row.
I agree on some points but you you've made a lot of blanket statements. (e.g. one potato mine won't kill a superbrains. You have to admit that it is by no means as simple as you've put it playing online. I'm talking about making the classes even (cactus vs pirate/ sunflower vs scientist) in an attempt to even the playing field. As far as I'm concerned if I'm a cactus versing a pirate, the abilities, health and power should be equal. I shouldn't have to go and play another separate character to kill what is supposed to be my equal.
@TallerGoblin wrote:
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:
Sharkbite needs four shots to kill a Cacti and deals more damage than the majority, but most Cacti can even out due to their higher rate of fire. The Camo Cactus i perticuar wastly outclasses him, or at least, I do. The Potato mine is still as lethal as ever and can rack up tons of kills. The Cannon is mediocre at best. It only deals a reliable amount of damage if you continously score direct hits, which is unlikley (provided that youe opponent has a brain) and the splash damage is laughaball. As for th Barrel Blast, amost every Plant has a counter. The Chomper can goop the barrel and place a Spike Weed right under it and eat the Captain. The Peashooter can harass Deadbeard from a roof, making him unhitable by the barrel, and the Gatling is very good at countering it when you are on the ground level. Citron can jump on the roofs and is to mobile to be caught by the explosion. The Sunflower has the Sunbeam and can build up enough distance when the barrel is not lit, so she can escape. Rose can just Goatfy the Captain, dening his damage reduction or use her Arcane enigma. The Kernel just doesn't care and busts the barrel with a Husk Hop. The Cactus can place a Tallnut to block the Barrel and escape in the meantime, of course while laying Potato mines around corners to catch the persuing Deadbeard off guard. (And a lot of players forget about the Potato Mines when chasing a seemingly vunerable Cactus). Speeking about Tallnuts, they can still be used to mount in top of roofs, which is something the Captain can't do as easily, serve as an emergency block Imp Punts, Super Ultra Balls and ZPGs and hide some Potato mines when blocking a narrow pathway. Last but not least, the overpowering Zombies. Scientist and Super Brainz fall in the same category: the class designed to counter you, provided they get close. Counters: Potato mines placed around corners to bait them in, or just not letting them get close. And sometimes you just get lucky hipfiring. I hae to agree about the Imps, but it is only because of their Health, because you can usually hit them once or twice, but never three times in a row.
I agree on some points but you you've made a lot of blanket statements. (e.g. one potato mine won't kill a superbrains. You have to admit that it is by no means as simple as you've put it playing online. I'm talking about making the classes even (cactus vs pirate/ sunflower vs scientist) in an attempt to even the playing field. As far as I'm concerned if I'm a cactus versing a pirate, the abilities, health and power should be equal. I shouldn't have to go and play another separate character to kill what is supposed to be my equal.
You make a mistake that plenty of people on this forum have made already. You assume that the Plants and Zombie classes should be mirrors, but they just fill the same roles. Let's compare the Chomper to the Super Brainz. The Chomper is a sneaky assasin that is centered around defending a point. To accomplish his job, he's equipped with a stun, an insta-kill move that also renders him invulnerable and can be used as a movement tool and a trap that can disable any damage reducing ability and turns the Zombie into a free kill. Super Brainz is a close range brawler with a fairly powerfull damage ability and a range attack to soften up targets to make up for the lack of an instant kill, a movement ability that also deals damage (altough not a lot) and an ability that was supposed to be a defensive move that allows him to finish of an opponent he was on low HP, but after complains that it was too weak, it turned into an offensive ability that allows to deal considerable amount of damage to groups of Plants while being hard to kill. The only thing that they have in common is that they are best at close range. The Cactus and Deadbeard are different as well. While Deadbeard is somewhat more versitile with his abilities and the Shotgun, the Cactus is the better sniper, because she has needs less shots to kill and has a faster rate of fire. I could go on and on, but I need to get back to work right now
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:
@TallerGoblin wrote:
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:Sharkbite needs four shots to kill a Cacti and deals more damage than the majority, but most Cacti can even out due to their higher rate of fire. The Camo Cactus i perticuar wastly outclasses him, or at least, I do. The Potato mine is still as lethal as ever and can rack up tons of kills. The Cannon is mediocre at best. It only deals a reliable amount of damage if you continously score direct hits, which is unlikley (provided that youe opponent has a brain) and the splash damage is laughaball. As for th Barrel Blast, amost every Plant has a counter. The Chomper can goop the barrel and place a Spike Weed right under it and eat the Captain. The Peashooter can harass Deadbeard from a roof, making him unhitable by the barrel, and the Gatling is very good at countering it when you are on the ground level. Citron can jump on the roofs and is to mobile to be caught by the explosion. The Sunflower has the Sunbeam and can build up enough distance when the barrel is not lit, so she can escape. Rose can just Goatfy the Captain, dening his damage reduction or use her Arcane enigma. The Kernel just doesn't care and busts the barrel with a Husk Hop. The Cactus can place a Tallnut to block the Barrel and escape in the meantime, of course while laying Potato mines around corners to catch the persuing Deadbeard off guard. (And a lot of players forget about the Potato Mines when chasing a seemingly vunerable Cactus). Speeking about Tallnuts, they can still be used to mount in top of roofs, which is something the Captain can't do as easily, serve as an emergency block Imp Punts, Super Ultra Balls and ZPGs and hide some Potato mines when blocking a narrow pathway. Last but not least, the overpowering Zombies. Scientist and Super Brainz fall in the same category: the class designed to counter you, provided they get close. Counters: Potato mines placed around corners to bait them in, or just not letting them get close. And sometimes you just get lucky hipfiring. I hae to agree about the Imps, but it is only because of their Health, because you can usually hit them once or twice, but never three times in a row.
I agree on some points but you you've made a lot of blanket statements. (e.g. one potato mine won't kill a superbrains. You have to admit that it is by no means as simple as you've put it playing online. I'm talking about making the classes even (cactus vs pirate/ sunflower vs scientist) in an attempt to even the playing field. As far as I'm concerned if I'm a cactus versing a pirate, the abilities, health and power should be equal. I shouldn't have to go and play another separate character to kill what is supposed to be my equal.
You make a mistake that plenty of people on this forum have made already. You assume that the Plants and Zombie classes should be mirrors, but they just fill the same roles. Let's compare the Chomper to the Super Brainz. The Chomper is a sneaky assasin that is centered around defending a point. To accomplish his job, he's equipped with a stun, an insta-kill move that also renders him invulnerable and can be used as a movement tool and a trap that can disable any damage reducing ability and turns the Zombie into a free kill. Super Brainz is a close range brawler with a fairly powerfull damage ability and a range attack to soften up targets to make up for the lack of an instant kill, a movement ability that also deals damage (altough not a lot) and an ability that was supposed to be a defensive move that allows him to finish of an opponent he was on low HP, but after complains that it was too weak, it turned into an offensive ability that allows to deal considerable amount of damage to groups of Plants while being hard to kill. The only thing that they have in common is that they are best at close range. The Cactus and Deadbeard are different as well. While Deadbeard is somewhat more versitile with his abilities and the Shotgun, the Cactus is the better sniper, because she has needs less shots to kill and has a faster rate of fire. I could go on and on, but I need to get back to work right now
It's no mistake and it's crippling the game. There's a reason why people are leaving this game in truckloads. All I want is the same enjoyable play style as in GW1, not this hot mess. Is it fair that Superbrains should get tens and tens of kills and that the peashooter shouldn't? By the way Superbrains has no flaws (hell, his laser has further reach than the camo cactus)
It's funny that you should run straight to the chomper considering he's the only plant that can hold his own with any zombie. Suggestions for the sunflower???
Any clown with half a brain can see that the plants are severely under powered. Nobody gets to the end of maps anymore when the zombies are defending.
I feel like we are going to have to agree to disagree.
@Shogunbear wrote:
Where do you get your information like "people leaving in truckloads". As far as i knew we didnt have numbers on playerbase and ive nevrr not been able to find a game of any match type on console. On top of that games like these, non competetive, are typically relaxing filler games that peoplr pickup between other big titles to basically chill and have fun. Alot of my friends who play this are working on the division right now.
Really some very small changes to somw of the underpeforming plants as well as some Ombies is all thats needed for better balance. You guys that feel multiplayer is torture or painful shluld prpbably take a break yourselves and stop making things out to be much worse then they are.
I could ask you exactly the same thing. You think it's a "filler game"? Yeah I'm sure that's why they made it.
If your not even a loyal player to this game your opinion is irrelevant in these forums.
I disagree with a few points here. Firstly the plants have a ton of defensive powers making it very tough for them to just explode out of the spawning area. They are literally a side that was originally designed to dig into a point and hold it. a lot of abilities leave the plants immobile (peashooter gattling gun and sunflower sun beam for example). Plants are being forced to do something to hide in a spawn point because that's the only thing they can do, poor cactus only has abilities that let him dig into a hole and snipe. You're not going on the offensive with tall nuts and potato mines. Don't even get me started on the garlic drone. Chomper will die after he swallows one zombie and the zombies have far to many counters to being swallowed anymore. Sun Flower is a joke, but it much better since they resolved the hit box issues they were having. Her short range heal forces her into combat with one of her buddies, but she has a gun meant for medium to long range skirmishes (where she still sees some success). Rose was nerfed into the ground, especially the ice variant. Citron just gets wrecked and his empeach takes too long to fire. I think Corn and Pea can do their jobs well but with the rest of their team lacking it's honestly hard to play them properly.
Also your point about making plants play together to be better isnt very fair either since the same could be said for zombies. With the exception that zombies are still successful when they go Rambo and do not coordinate.
Lastly telling people to "GET GUD, SON" is not the issue, it generally an argument I see from people that don't play the plant side enough.
I do agree that plants over exaggerate the imbalance issues but I also see where they are coming from. Not only are most their classes/varients inferior the map design also favors zombies and their abilities.
@TallerGoblin wrote:
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:
@TallerGoblin wrote:
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:
Sharkbite needs four shots to kill a Cacti and deals more damage than the majority, but most Cacti can even out due to their higher rate of fire. The Camo Cactus i perticuar wastly outclasses him, or at least, I do. The Potato mine is still as lethal as ever and can rack up tons of kills. The Cannon is mediocre at best. It only deals a reliable amount of damage if you continously score direct hits, which is unlikley (provided that youe opponent has a brain) and the splash damage is laughaball. As for th Barrel Blast, amost every Plant has a counter. The Chomper can goop the barrel and place a Spike Weed right under it and eat the Captain. The Peashooter can harass Deadbeard from a roof, making him unhitable by the barrel, and the Gatling is very good at countering it when you are on the ground level. Citron can jump on the roofs and is to mobile to be caught by the explosion. The Sunflower has the Sunbeam and can build up enough distance when the barrel is not lit, so she can escape. Rose can just Goatfy the Captain, dening his damage reduction or use her Arcane enigma. The Kernel just doesn't care and busts the barrel with a Husk Hop. The Cactus can place a Tallnut to block the Barrel and escape in the meantime, of course while laying Potato mines around corners to catch the persuing Deadbeard off guard. (And a lot of players forget about the Potato Mines when chasing a seemingly vunerable Cactus). Speeking about Tallnuts, they can still be used to mount in top of roofs, which is something the Captain can't do as easily, serve as an emergency block Imp Punts, Super Ultra Balls and ZPGs and hide some Potato mines when blocking a narrow pathway. Last but not least, the overpowering Zombies. Scientist and Super Brainz fall in the same category: the class designed to counter you, provided they get close. Counters: Potato mines placed around corners to bait them in, or just not letting them get close. And sometimes you just get lucky hipfiring. I hae to agree about the Imps, but it is only because of their Health, because you can usually hit them once or twice, but never three times in a row.
I agree on some points but you you've made a lot of blanket statements. (e.g. one potato mine won't kill a superbrains. You have to admit that it is by no means as simple as you've put it playing online. I'm talking about making the classes even (cactus vs pirate/ sunflower vs scientist) in an attempt to even the playing field. As far as I'm concerned if I'm a cactus versing a pirate, the abilities, health and power should be equal. I shouldn't have to go and play another separate character to kill what is supposed to be my equal.
You make a mistake that plenty of people on this forum have made already. You assume that the Plants and Zombie classes should be mirrors, but they just fill the same roles. Let's compare the Chomper to the Super Brainz. The Chomper is a sneaky assasin that is centered around defending a point. To accomplish his job, he's equipped with a stun, an insta-kill move that also renders him invulnerable and can be used as a movement tool and a trap that can disable any damage reducing ability and turns the Zombie into a free kill. Super Brainz is a close range brawler with a fairly powerfull damage ability and a range attack to soften up targets to make up for the lack of an instant kill, a movement ability that also deals damage (altough not a lot) and an ability that was supposed to be a defensive move that allows him to finish of an opponent he was on low HP, but after complains that it was too weak, it turned into an offensive ability that allows to deal considerable amount of damage to groups of Plants while being hard to kill. The only thing that they have in common is that they are best at close range. The Cactus and Deadbeard are different as well. While Deadbeard is somewhat more versitile with his abilities and the Shotgun, the Cactus is the better sniper, because she has needs less shots to kill and has a faster rate of fire. I could go on and on, but I need to get back to work right now
It's no mistake and it's crippling the game. There's a reason why people are leaving this game in truckloads. All I want is the same enjoyable play style as in GW1, not this hot mess. Is it fair that Superbrains should get tens and tens of kills and that the peashooter shouldn't? By the way Superbrains has no flaws (hell, his laser has further reach than the camo cactus)
It's funny that you should run straight to the chomper considering he's the only plant that can hold his own with any zombie. Suggestions for the sunflower???
Any clown with half a brain can see that the plants are severely under powered. Nobody gets to the end of maps anymore when the zombies are defending.
I feel like we are going to have to agree to disagree.
When is Super Brainz able to rack up tons of kills? Usually, most Super Brainz won't go on insane killing sprees because they still perform best at close range, which is also where you die the fastest. Unless we take Electro Brainz into consideration, because that guy is completly broken. His laser does not have any over the top ranged capabilities. It deals only a moderate amount of damage and has some unpleasant recoil to compensate. And everywhere where you can hit somebody with the laser, you can also hit with the Camo Cactus because both are hitscan weapons with unlimited range and pinpoint accuracy. And Super Brainz has the fatale flaw to rely on his movement abilities to be any kind of menace, which leaves him vunerable to the Chomper, Citron and his nemesis Rose which have two CC abilities to stop him.
The Chomper definetivly isn't the only Plant that stands a chance. Any Citron works fine, and the default, Druid and Fire Rose are still very effective with the homing upgrade and even without, their abilities help to shut down Super Brainz, Deadbeard, the Scientist and the Imp. The Kernel and Pea are also quite decent altough he requires map knowlage and awarness of Scientist ambushes. The Cacti lacks some sort of direct pushing ability, but the Corn Strike can help to clear out a contested point and in my opinion, she is still the better sniper in comparison to Deadbeard because Sharkbite is the only one able to go toe to toe with most variants, still feels inferior to the Camo Cactus, or at least, is inferior to me as the Camo Cactus. I should also add that every other Sharkbite is inferior to his Cacti counterpart due to damage, ammo and rate of fire.
As far as the Sunflower goes the only Plant class that feels weak in this game, I suggested to give her the unique ability to overheal, which would indirectly buff the entire Plant team, because their is no justification for the Scientist to be just as good at supporting as the Sunflower.
While some Zombies are broken in the way that they completly outclass the default variant (which is supposed to be the most versatile and reliable variant) or render some other classes useless (Super Brainz makes the Alll-Star jealous) I feel that the Plants still stand a chance, if they play smart enough. And every so often, when I get a team not only composed of Corns but some Roses, Cacti, Peashooter and somebody else playing Citron, we can win. But that is just my opinion
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:
@TallerGoblin wrote:
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:
@TallerGoblin wrote:
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:Sharkbite needs four shots to kill a Cacti and deals more damage than the majority, but most Cacti can even out due to their higher rate of fire. The Camo Cactus i perticuar wastly outclasses him, or at least, I do. The Potato mine is still as lethal as ever and can rack up tons of kills. The Cannon is mediocre at best. It only deals a reliable amount of damage if you continously score direct hits, which is unlikley (provided that youe opponent has a brain) and the splash damage is laughaball. As for th Barrel Blast, amost every Plant has a counter. The Chomper can goop the barrel and place a Spike Weed right under it and eat the Captain. The Peashooter can harass Deadbeard from a roof, making him unhitable by the barrel, and the Gatling is very good at countering it when you are on the ground level. Citron can jump on the roofs and is to mobile to be caught by the explosion. The Sunflower has the Sunbeam and can build up enough distance when the barrel is not lit, so she can escape. Rose can just Goatfy the Captain, dening his damage reduction or use her Arcane enigma. The Kernel just doesn't care and busts the barrel with a Husk Hop. The Cactus can place a Tallnut to block the Barrel and escape in the meantime, of course while laying Potato mines around corners to catch the persuing Deadbeard off guard. (And a lot of players forget about the Potato Mines when chasing a seemingly vunerable Cactus). Speeking about Tallnuts, they can still be used to mount in top of roofs, which is something the Captain can't do as easily, serve as an emergency block Imp Punts, Super Ultra Balls and ZPGs and hide some Potato mines when blocking a narrow pathway. Last but not least, the overpowering Zombies. Scientist and Super Brainz fall in the same category: the class designed to counter you, provided they get close. Counters: Potato mines placed around corners to bait them in, or just not letting them get close. And sometimes you just get lucky hipfiring. I hae to agree about the Imps, but it is only because of their Health, because you can usually hit them once or twice, but never three times in a row.
I agree on some points but you you've made a lot of blanket statements. (e.g. one potato mine won't kill a superbrains. You have to admit that it is by no means as simple as you've put it playing online. I'm talking about making the classes even (cactus vs pirate/ sunflower vs scientist) in an attempt to even the playing field. As far as I'm concerned if I'm a cactus versing a pirate, the abilities, health and power should be equal. I shouldn't have to go and play another separate character to kill what is supposed to be my equal.
You make a mistake that plenty of people on this forum have made already. You assume that the Plants and Zombie classes should be mirrors, but they just fill the same roles. Let's compare the Chomper to the Super Brainz. The Chomper is a sneaky assasin that is centered around defending a point. To accomplish his job, he's equipped with a stun, an insta-kill move that also renders him invulnerable and can be used as a movement tool and a trap that can disable any damage reducing ability and turns the Zombie into a free kill. Super Brainz is a close range brawler with a fairly powerfull damage ability and a range attack to soften up targets to make up for the lack of an instant kill, a movement ability that also deals damage (altough not a lot) and an ability that was supposed to be a defensive move that allows him to finish of an opponent he was on low HP, but after complains that it was too weak, it turned into an offensive ability that allows to deal considerable amount of damage to groups of Plants while being hard to kill. The only thing that they have in common is that they are best at close range. The Cactus and Deadbeard are different as well. While Deadbeard is somewhat more versitile with his abilities and the Shotgun, the Cactus is the better sniper, because she has needs less shots to kill and has a faster rate of fire. I could go on and on, but I need to get back to work right now
It's no mistake and it's crippling the game. There's a reason why people are leaving this game in truckloads. All I want is the same enjoyable play style as in GW1, not this hot mess. Is it fair that Superbrains should get tens and tens of kills and that the peashooter shouldn't? By the way Superbrains has no flaws (hell, his laser has further reach than the camo cactus)
It's funny that you should run straight to the chomper considering he's the only plant that can hold his own with any zombie. Suggestions for the sunflower???
Any clown with half a brain can see that the plants are severely under powered. Nobody gets to the end of maps anymore when the zombies are defending.
I feel like we are going to have to agree to disagree.
When is Super Brainz able to rack up tons of kills? Usually, most Super Brainz won't go on insane killing sprees because they still perform best at close range, which is also where you die the fastest. Unless we take Electro Brainz into consideration, because that guy is completly broken. His laser does not have any over the top ranged capabilities. It deals only a moderate amount of damage and has some unpleasant recoil to compensate. And everywhere where you can hit somebody with the laser, you can also hit with the Camo Cactus because both are hitscan weapons with unlimited range and pinpoint accuracy. And Super Brainz has the fatale flaw to rely on his movement abilities to be any kind of menace, which leaves him vunerable to the Chomper, Citron and his nemesis Rose which have two CC abilities to stop him.
The Chomper definetivly isn't the only Plant that stands a chance. Any Citron works fine, and the default, Druid and Fire Rose are still very effective with the homing upgrade and even without, their abilities help to shut down Super Brainz, Deadbeard, the Scientist and the Imp. The Kernel and Pea are also quite decent altough he requires map knowlage and awarness of Scientist ambushes. The Cacti lacks some sort of direct pushing ability, but the Corn Strike can help to clear out a contested point and in my opinion, she is still the better sniper in comparison to Deadbeard because Sharkbite is the only one able to go toe to toe with most variants, still feels inferior to the Camo Cactus, or at least, is inferior to me as the Camo Cactus. I should also add that every other Sharkbite is inferior to his Cacti counterpart due to damage, ammo and rate of fire.
As far as the Sunflower goes the only Plant class that feels weak in this game, I suggested to give her the unique ability to overheal, which would indirectly buff the entire Plant team, because their is no justification for the Scientist to be just as good at supporting as the Sunflower.
While some Zombies are broken in the way that they completly outclass the default variant (which is supposed to be the most versatile and reliable variant) or render some other classes useless (Super Brainz makes the Alll-Star jealous) I feel that the Plants still stand a chance, if they play smart enough. And every so often, when I get a team not only composed of Corns but some Roses, Cacti, Peashooter and somebody else playing Citron, we can win. But that is just my opinion
"When is superbrains able to rack up tons of kills?" - Have you been living under a rock these last two months???? I'm mean seriously that is gold!
He is the most over powered character out there regardless of the variant:
- Can jump super high as much as he wants (peashooters super jump is now obsolete)
- Has a laser with more range and accuracy than any cactus
- Has crippling short range attacks and once he starts punching you its lights out
- has a super kick that can be used either to damage or very quickly get in range of you. He can either run away super quick combining it with the super jump or get right next to you in a matter of seconds.
- Has way too much health (that was the all star's thing). Something's definitely wrong if 4 plants are trying to take down one superbrains and all the plants die in the attempt.
- Has a tornado ability that he can spawn while practically taking no damage, killing large groups of plants and slows down and takes away plants ability (even chompers burrow which is the only plant that can stop him in that mode)
Your ignorance its indicative of you being a zombie supporter and that you like the disadvantage the plants are at. I'm promoting balance for both teams so its not just a one sided blow out.
Dude the only brains I ever see at podium after turf takeover is electro brains. Brains have the hit box of a barn and when your team is able to aim half decent they're simple to decimate from across the batt field.
Only issues I have is electro brains beam dmg and maybe rose not being able to jump as high.
You can't compare GW2 and GW1 the map designs are completely different. GW1 maps had 3 paths of choice mostly blocked or funnelled into these paths and filled with many high vantage points to capture and hold over your opponents and it was centred around the plants being defensively laid and zombies as offensive assaults, GW2 maps are entirely open extremely wide with little high vantage points not inaccessible or reachable by just about every class, using drones, buddies and abilities to find secret hiding holes and places to get to is not a thing in GW2 as its very restricted and mostly kept to the ground level.
The classes are what they are and that's fine I can live with that Peashooters are still awesome most of mine are mastered, same with most chompers again most mastered, Citrons cool also mastered. The damage ratio of Electro Brains is just ridiculous and my only real major complaint it makes playing as a sunflower impossible because you can't heal anybody without instant death due to the fact the beam kills you faster than the person its targeting in about 2 seconds flat.
Sharkbites shot has a splash radius I realised this when using him in the shooting range which gives it greater precision and a better hitbox it also has a better clip then cacti much like how a sunflowers sunbeam cuts through parts of the map. I'm a terrible cactus its my worst class yet I could honestly say I am the worlds best sniper with Sharkbite..that's saying something. Also those 4 shots are relatively fast.
As for people leaving in droves my friends and I are struggling to find more than 1 server running and tonight a total of just 6-8 people from our Region playing at an optimal hour. This may also be due to lag mostly every time anyone joins in or leaves the server, game freezes, and many other little bugs that occur.
The fact that you said cactus is a better sniper than Deadbeard shows what you are all about. They need to make this website coincide with your GW account. That way when you post nonsense, others can show you whats up. I am Tacticle_Savant on PS4. Come at me Zombie lover so I can make you eat every BS statement you make to try and keep the game broken.
@Unfadeable777 wrote:
The fact that you said cactus is a better sniper than Deadbeard shows what you are all about. They need to make this website coincide with your GW account. That way when you post nonsense, others can show you whats up. I am Tacticle_Savant on PS4. Come at me Zombie lover so I can make you eat every BS statement you make to try and keep the game broken.
Wow, you feel insulted? That was not my intention. Yes, the Cactus is better than Deadbeard and I prove it in every game when I play as a Cactus. If you really want a 1v1 (as if that helps you to prove anything) I accept your challenge if you play on a european server like me.
1 vs 1 me, scrub
come at meh bruh.
LEL.
Btw i would say that deadbard even with this flaws has a better versatile kit overall, samething cactus lacks. i would like tallnut been replaced by a different ability
you see, this is where you give your name so we could make the game 10x as fun.
Your post didn't offend me, I just don't like you... at all... because you constantly say things that are not even remotely true in an effort I think to keep the game unbalanced or to be a divisive troll.
Come on dude, wouldn't it be great to be able to post a video of yourself kicking my arse with a cactus while I use deadbeard? Who knows, maybe you will get your way and they wont nerf him if you do. If you do I will never say another word on these forums again.
I think you get the point. I only state my opinion which I base on my experience in game. And whenever I play as the Cactus, I murder Deadbeards. They are no challenge for me. While Seaboard is easier to pick up and easier to master, a good Cactus beats a good Deadbeards in 9 out of 10 gunfights. The learning curve for the Cactus is much steeper, but if you managed to master a Cactus (both in level and gameplay) you become better the any Deadbeards, because you were forced to become better. I remember the day I got the Camo Cactus back in GW1, she was my third character that I unlocked in the game, and I sucked with her. But I didn't complain and I started to master her. After a few weeks, she became my best character in the game and from that point on, she was my go-to on the Plant team. When I came into GW2, I expected to stomp everybody, but because the Camo Cactus is clunkier than in GW1, I didn't do as good as I expected. But I adapted. I raised my sensitivity and relearned how to lead targets with the new movement speed and speed and speed when ADS. Now, I mastered her again and I eat Sharkbites for breakfast. Their are few things in this game that I fear more than a good Camo Cactus, because they will get you before you notice them.
I just don't like either of you. I think you both are full of it in most regards. With your, he does this BUT... and well if you do this THEN BS. That is my opinion.
If you notice I say it straight out, zombies are better in every regard and every character mirror save Corn. No ands ifs buts or BS excuses.
And we wont be 1v1. I will join his match and he can show me that he "owns" with cactus and kills so many deadbeards.
He is in a win win situation, because if he racks up the kills, he wins... if I win vanquish master every match and kill him 8 to 1 ratio, it still proves nothing against him or our debate. I could be just better at the game. I am saying cactus SUCKS compared to deadbeard. all he needs do is do well with me in his match to witness.
PLUS... PLUS I get to shoot him in the face with a lazer. Please feel free to join as well Shogunbear and show me how zombies are not "that" op or whatever drivel you say on these forums.
Most of the problem of plants (and don't happen only on console, sometimes on PC too) are the
fkn
uncarryable
corn
scrubz.
When i see more than 3 corns i usually:
- quit
- wish i have a chat text to TRULY say how much i APPRECIATE their skills
- curse
- curse a lot
- asking myself why i'm not playing LOL when im around plat.
- remember to not blame every bronze V... they are clearly superiore to every corn player
- repeat.
If Citron will get a buff and most of those newbies will convert into Citron, you guys on console you'll see a quite difference.
Citron is a PERFECT character to get carryed, since he offers a lots of utility.
Do you think 3-6 newbies playing a frontliner damage dealer rambo class in a plant team that require teamworking and coordination is carryable in any way?
I say plant will ever need teamworking, not because they are hard or weaker, fact is more simple.
Sunflowers and Cactuses lacks survability option, they have no dashes, rocket jumps, kicks, damage mitigation and so on... mostly are immobile freee-kills once you get closer.
On origin Citron x3 is staple in every match, since some time. First post-patch week were horrible too with a lots of useless Corn, but now situation has slighly improved.
If i don't win more than half of matches as a plant i bet i win at least 40-45%. Not even close to 10% like you say o_o' ...
@Shogunbear
Cacti need something that's for sure to replace tall nut and possibly a different option for potato mines that could have better offensive applications. And it really makes no sense that they don't do thorns damage to melee attackers. Punching a cactus should kill a superbrains. Or at least jack him up good.
That's actually not a bad idea if they replaced the cactus Tallnut with a 1 off spike spray ability where he uses his thorns to kill something at close range, might make them sneaky scientists on the rear think twice. Maybe a variance sort of like what zoologist does but as a single use ability.
Also if they gave the sunflower an alternate to his sunbeam for something close range or his pot plant/heal beam such as the scientist so he has an option to defend itself at short range or keep on the offensive as the rooted abilities are a more defensive option and sunbeam places a huge target on you much like any charge up characters that stand out.
@Unfadeable777
@Shogunbear wrote:
@Unfadeable777 to each his own, it's funny though it seems you read like half of a post then make assumptions. I was one of the first people to mention that there would be an imbalance if they nerfed release Rose without adjusting some plants. Ive also tried to suggest solutions that would help balance the game better without breaking it more in the opposite direction.
The only opposing views I've had with you in particular is that in my ps4 experience plants don't "lose 5x more" or "get dominated every match" . From my experience the only time plants are guaranteed to lose is when NOBODY uses rose, portals are a thing heh, who knew?
I've been cautioning over buffing and over nerfing because that is what screws the game up and creates even more imbalance. Small tweaks both ways are what's needed and what I've been suggesting until class reworKS are made.
You seem to attack anybody who disagrees with the zombies are better at everything and completely outclass plants stance. They don't. They're just easier to play for beginners and people who can't aim for *. I assume that's why people like you have better success with and why typically you fail as planta.
That's an imbalance though and should be looked into no doubt. But other then making plants mirror classes do you have a solution. Or is it still buff plants nerf zombies ?
Yes sir agreed totally on point, the nerfing would be so much better if they brought things down a little then see how they pan out before overdoing it and if they are still overpowered debuff a little more next update. They should also not do debuffs and rebuffs in the same update because the power balance changes dramatically.
Plants are not entirely underpowered no there is 2 zombie classes in particular solely responsible for driving down plant power. Don't get me wrong there is plenty of OP zombie classes but the same goes for plants.
I stand corrected.
In the 6 or so matches we played you got highest kills for all except the one that went to the end. The competition was terrible but the way you dominated them shows you have remarkable skill and made me look at the hapless Camo Cactus in a new light. Everyone were like misbehaving children with you the fed up parent with a belt lol.
I didn't like the way you kept bullying me with the darn drone tho lol.
Mad props tho!
Chatting after playing on the European server I realized there has been some miscommunication. More to the point I wasn't being clear. When I say zombies win 90% of matches in Turf takeover, I didn't mean that they reach the end 9 out of 10 times, I meant that when a team makes it to the end at least 90% of the time its zombies. at least that much.
Hope that clears some things up. When I play plants I am very good at stopping them. I stop them probably 5 out of 6 times most on first or second objective. But as plants we make it to the end once in a leap year. I seriously wish they would release the stats but I am pretty sure its too embarrassing to do so considering how long they have waited to patch.
