Now ofcourse we all know the pros, its a very fun and addicting game i already spent limitless hourse playing. The diversity of heroes and what they bring is great and pretty balanced however i want to focus on a couple of things that i feel is a little unbalanced and ideas to maybe stabalizeZombies! The diversity of cards and tricks that the zombie faction has is much more greater and powerful then the plants faction. For example; brain vendor is basically a free zombie due to its effect. Rolling stone is a guarantee kill due to 80% of plants not having over 2 atk especially in the early rounds and it only costs 1 energy(brain) and these are only two examples.Im general zombies have a greater advantage then plants and its a little frustrating so some fixes I recommend would be changes in some zombie cards like:Brain vendo: 3 -> 4 (or decrease the amount of its effect)Rolling stone: 1 -> 2Weed spray: doesnt affect cards with no attackArea spray 3 -> 4 (or have frenzy only work until all plants are destroyed not being able to atk directly)Laser base alpha 3 -> 5 *zombie automatically destroys all plants and atks directly? Cmon thats overkill*Camel crossing 1 -> 3Ecape through time 1-> 2Cone zone 2 -> 3Final mission 1 -> 2 or does damage due to the zombie that was sacrificed atk powerLoose cannon 1-> 2Zombie king 4 -> 5Also i think zombie environments should be either considered tricks or be only used during their summoning phase instead of trick phase so at least plants have a chance to counterI think these fixes will help balance out the game a little better but if you think there is something wrong or maybe other ideas like creating more plants i would definitely like to hear it as i am a big fan.Please and thank you- pvz fan

We hope that in the next update (set 3) we have more powerful tricks for plants 🙂 🥳 But I really don't want the current zombies tricks go to be downgraded...

I don't agree with most of the things you said, and let me explain it to you why.-Brain Vendor: It is a terrible 3 cost card. Let's face it, the card only has value on the Medulla Nebulla or with Bad Moon Rising, otherwise it is pretty bad. I mean, you can have waay better cards at that cost, like a 4/4 Moonwalker or a 2/5 Wormhole Gatekeeper.-Rolling Stone: It is fine at that cost. It can only be used on small plants as you said, but I only think it has value on the early game. I don't know what deck you are playing, but at least I only see 3 or 4 plants per match with an attack of 2 or less that can be killed with this card. Usually my opponent plays big plants pretty quickly.-Weed Spray: It makes no sense. Why would the card only kill 1 and 2 cost cards? It is technically the only way to counter Mirror Nut decks.-Area Spray? What is that card? Are you talking about Area 22, the environment? -Laser Base Alpha: It is fine as it is. Environments can be easily overwritten with another environment. Or you can just use a trick to bounce/freeze/kill the zombie on the lane.-Camel Crossing: Disagree as well. Maybe, maaaaaaaybe change its cost to 2, but definitely not 3.-Escape through time: Agree on this one, but I don't think it is THAT necessary.-Cone Zone: Same thing as in Laser Base Alpha.-Final Mission: I actually like your secondary idea. It is kinda annoying that a 1 cost imp can do 4 damage face.-Loose Cannon: Agree. It is technically a 3/1 zombie for 1 cost. Ridiculous.-Zombie King: Meeeh... I haven't seen him much, even after the buff. I don't think it needs a nerf.And finally, the environments being considered as tricks... I totally agree. It makes more sense this way.

Trying to make an argument based on zombies having a trick phase after the plants turn is kinda ridiculous.You do realize the turns goZombies cast creaturesPlants cast creatures and tricks/enviroZombies cast tricks/enviroFight!So please fix this problem for us and tell us when zombies play tricks or are you trying to make a case for plants to counter again?Also I didn't read your entire rant because the first comparison was so funny I can't not respond to it....Camel crossing vs photosynthesyser...I agree that camel crossing hits all zombies and photo only one plant but I can guaraneffintee that nobody's ever conjured a darkmatter dragonfruit or astrocado or Starfruit from camel crossingIf photo is such a lame card why is it in dang near ever guardian deck?Instead of just trying to make it easier for plants, or maybe just easier for yourself and your cards on hand, why don't you switch it up and play with zombies and see what happens....you may realize that each trait has ridiculously powerful cards when played in the right setting.You think that the grotto spewing little shrooms that spawn into pineclones and then to top it off then they drop molekale...Im getting carried away with this. The point is both plants and zombies have powerful cards and when played right or if the opposition can't deal with it they can quickly become overwhelmed

I agree with the fact plant environment are better but they have much fatier costs then zombie environments. They are also easily countered with these low costing environments that they are never guaranteed to be used. If brain vendor is so annoying why use the lot of them? Lol theyre annoying for plants thats a fact. Especially when used with final mission to further their cause or even as plain free spawn. Weed spray risky? How? Avoidable? How? They should nerf this to the point that it only affects ground lanes or actually make it risky and affect both plants and zombies alike lets see how many decks take this card after that. Camel crossing is okay not a big deal in my part its just that plants dont have cards that affect all plants with one cost. Escape through time i know it makes you wanna play as a zombie how can you not with such powerful tricks (thanks for making my point). I have since changed my mind about rolling stone, alpha station, cone zone and zombie king. In general plants dont have tricks like these to get to use before the fight begins; give plants more team up like there are gravestones, more low costing tricks that give bonus attack Or more counters for tricks that dont just involve plant effects and then i'll consider it a fair fight

See though that's just it. Snowdrops a perfect example for me. 1/2 for 1sun should be easy "to take care of early "But then because of plants having there summons and trick phases combined, a player can easily dodge zombies and then freeze on next turn and suddenly you are facing 2 or 3 COMMONS that are buffed 2/2 every time players freeze a zombie... And then snowpeas come out and chilly pepper and you get the ideaSnowdrop on its own is a craptastic common that has the ability to become a juggernaut if the correct cards support it. That is my point...lots of cards are ridonkulous with the right supporting cast and all you can do is try and deal. 😎You talk about zombies advantage in environment but have you ever been caught by the heartichoke/mars flytraplanet combo? Throw down a healing trick and sit back and if you want to know what feeling helpless and useless feels like...that is as close as it gets

Plants vs zombies unbalances and idea fixes

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wonoz
8 years ago
Introducing counterplay is a nerf indeed but guess what? OTK valkyrie was SUPER BROKEN and absolutely no fun to play against. OTK Combo in general is a horrible, horrible concept because it tends to take away ALL the interaction in the game.
>"Oh lol I OTK you after playing a bunch of trashmobs and you can do nothing about it althoug your board is better established than mine. though luck XD" Thats BS and shouldn´t exist. At all.
Hearty Heroes could play an armwrestler against that astro shroom for example ._. or rolling stone. or weedspray. I mean yes...if you have nothing t1-3 you gonna loose against aggro. thats about it. its an absolutely deserved loss if you cannot deliver early on against aggro. You may have been unlucky with your starting hand but aggro strives on reliability so that happens :/
Clique peas: why yes. they are a touch to good. no doubt about it. If you were cross-reading the threads you would know that I participated in that discussion as well (which is that most nerf suggestions are to harsh but a nerf is needed).
How has Prof Weedspray anyway? Are you talking about how you tried to play Valk Prof the other day and declared it "officially the weakest deck" and try to reason that its because prof has no weedspray?
Anonymous
8 years ago
Alright guys bottom line zombies have a major advantage and a lot of situations that i have discussed can actually be seen in a thread called "share your screenshots" as you can see most people here are playing zombies and destroying set-ups with the click of a card and this is my overall problem i hope anybody who disagrees can understand and if you dont then your most likely playing zombie or brain dead lol
Anonymous
8 years ago
Make sure you scroll back some because the most recent couple shots in that thread are plants using teamup to the limit...😳
Anonymous
8 years ago
Do you mean the weak plants that can be obliterated by a single weed spray? 🤔 Or are you purposely leaving out that the majority are zombie players showingg their cheap tricks? 😭
Anonymous
8 years ago
@jcalzadilla0 wrote:
Now ofcourse we all know the pros, its a very fun and addicting game i already spent limitless hourse playing. The diversity of heroes and what they bring is great and pretty balanced however i want to focus on a couple of things that i feel is a little unbalanced and ideas to maybe stabalize

Zombies! The diversity of cards and tricks that the zombie faction has is much more greater and powerful then the plants faction. For example; brain vendor is basically a free zombie due to its effect. Rolling stone is a guarantee kill due to 80% of plants not having over 2 atk especially in the early rounds and it only costs 1 energy(brain) and these are only two examples.

Im general zombies have a greater advantage then plants and its a little frustrating so some fixes I recommend would be changes in some zombie cards like:
Brain vendo: 3 -> 4 (or decrease the amount of its effect)
Rolling stone: 1 -> 2
Weed spray: doesnt affect cards with no attack
Area spray 3 -> 4 (or have frenzy only work until all plants are destroyed not being able to atk directly)
Laser base alpha 3 -> 5 *zombie automatically destroys all plants and atks directly? Cmon thats overkill*
Camel crossing 1 -> 3
Ecape through time 1-> 2
Cone zone 2 -> 3
Final mission 1 -> 2 or does damage due to the zombie that was sacrificed atk power
Loose cannon 1-> 2
Zombie king 4 -> 5

Also i think zombie environments should be either considered tricks or be only used during their summoning phase instead of trick phase so at least plants have a chance to counter

I think these fixes will help balance out the game a little better but if you think there is something wrong or maybe other ideas like creating more plants i would definitely like to hear it as i am a big fan.

Please and thank you
- pvz fan
Brain Vendor- No change
Rolling stone- don't know why you would want this change, rolling stone is a fairly weak removal card that not many people run in there decks
Weed spray- already has been nerfed by upping its rarity
Area Spray- Not sure what card you're talking about
Laser Base Alpha- I guess I kinda see why you would want this nerfed, it's a pretty good card but I wouldn't go as far to make it cost 5 brains maybe 4 brains max
Camel crossing- I can see why you think this one is powerful, but again I wouldn't make it cost 3, at most maybe 2 just so it's even with Leftovers (2 cost all zombies get +1/+1)
Escape through time- Honestly, I agree with this one I think this is a very powerful card that I would consider nerfing: 1 cost your zombie can't get hurt AND you get an extra card (so you don't loose your card advantage) I agree with increasing its cost to 2 brains.
Cone Zone- Don't understand why this ones cost needs to nerfed (or buffed for that matter) again not an all to amazing card
Final Mission- good card but not OP
Loose Cannon- Again don't understand why this one need to be nerfed it has so many weaknesses (Banana Bomb, Berry Blast, and sour grapes etc.)
Zombie King- only powerful if there are more zombies on the board, but the plants have a more than fair removal card selection to deal with him (Chomper, Squash, Spring Bean, Jumping bean etc.)
Anonymous
8 years ago
When you put it like that, basically escape through time is root wall except you conjure a history card instead of 0/+2.
Looking at it in that regard, I can see what you're saying.

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