Post patch Quiz. What do you think of ...?

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

1) Electro PeaShooter

---

The buff he got helped him a bunch for 1v1 and he's always gonna benefit for the increased projectile speed even if it make him a tad harder to use. It will probably just make him less underrated then he was.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

2) Frost Rose and Roses

---

Frost rose is muchhhh better then she was before,all the buff she got helped her to be a more viable variant now and not a useless one like she was last patch. She don't need any more change now for the meantime.

As for other rose. I didn't played them much,but the few time I tried them,I honestly didn't saw much of a difference. Fire rose did benefit from the increased movement speed while charging though.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

3) Citrons is overpowered or just overused? Why do you think he got so huge buffs?

---

Basic citron is OP, Ice citron is borderline OP, the rest is fine.

Most of the change citron got were mostly stuff that I saw that were at least suggested in here (and probably in reddit). The main problem is that they kinda also added some bad suggestion that were in here.The damage buff in citron mostly,considering people did asked for a damage buff in citron thinking that Ice citron was actually doing more damage when basic Even though it was the other way around. Citron have a splash,it just it damage number that separate the splash to his direct hit! Anyway, they probably aren't that dumb to add a damage buff with a justification like that,so they're probably got a another reason.

There is also the overheat buff which he probably needed without his overheat upgrade but it kinda made a citron WITH his overheat upgrade a tad too strong.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

4) BBQ nerf is enough?

---

I guess. Complain about him died down at least. And considering how fire variant are overrated in general,I'm guessing he's a better spot now. His other variant being buffed too helped a bit too.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

5) Chomper's digest

---

I don't have any digest upgrade for chomper expect for fire which isn't the most reliant to shallowing anyway. I really should play chomper more. So yeah nothing to say about that one.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

6) Any other plant that could deserve a buff/nerf

---

There really alots of plant that could use a buff. Maybe Chomper in general (especially toxic chomper and chomp thing,which both do no damage),some cactoo (Ice and power have a rather harsh damage dropoff for something that is meant to be long range,jade cactus need his nerf reverted and fix camo cactus godamn aim speed), party variant, pop corn, commando pea etc...

But for the nerf,outside of citron, I don't see any plant needing a nerf expect maybe agent pea.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

7) Imp's hitbox increase

---

He's easier to hit for sure. It more obvious with cactus and ice citron that they're easier to hit. Still think he could use a small health nerf despite that.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

8) Scientists nerf too harsh?

---

The scientist nerf are the highlight of his patch in a way that they pretty much put all 3 variant in a balanced state without destroying any of them. They all got nerfed in that best way possible.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

9) S.brainz turbo twist deserved armor nerf now that roses and citrons will be more frequent?

---

Oh so much. It still something that can very well destroy a plant group without those two class (+ chomper),but he's still more manageable now without those.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

10) Besides bias towards zombies being op, any variations or classes (especially old ones) do you think deserve a buff?

---

Hockey star, wresting star and rugby star definably need a buff. Archeologist need a buff. Tank commander needed a buff,not a nerf. Party variant need a buff. SHIIMP might need a buff.

Like with plant team,there actually alots of variant that need a buff.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

11) Tennis star doesn't seems anymore op, what do you think about this? (at least for me)

---

He need a nerf simply as he kinda outclass basic all-star right now,he's not much a problem himself,he just kinda outclass all-star. A hp nerf maybe.

thanks for the effort.
There is still something that confuses me in your posts:

Why agent pea deserve a nerf and popcorn a buff?

They seems in a very balance spot.
Pop problem could be BBQ outclass him at range, now that finally other corns being improved to be decent i would be fine on a nerf on him, most of people will just play him as a sniper with 150 health, don't you think this is toxic?

@xXFrozenChromeXx

I think Imp needs a major nerf.

Something you seemed to have missed off your failed list of fail.

---

@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

Why agent pea deserve a nerf and popcorn a buff?

They seems in a very balance spot.
Pop problem could be BBQ outclass him at range, now that finally other corns being improved to be decent i would be fine on a nerf on him, most of people will just play him as a sniper with 150 health, don't you think this is toxic?

---

Agent pea is pretty much unchanged from GW1 and he was generally considered OP back then. He just have a really crazy headshot dps.

Sure,the lower hp is more notable then before due to pea gatling being super good. But heh, guess it just the closest thing that would be considered OP in the plant team right now.

Pop corn is just a tad lacking in range compared to BBQ corn and the recently buffed Mod corn. And that pretty much it hue.

1 electro pea is harder to hit enemies than before the patch and should be returned

2 The roses didn't get much of a buff

3 only the citron and ice citron need a nerf 

4 BBQ corn still needs a nerf 

5 chompers digest is working fine now 

6 The toxic pea needs a nerf and the chomp thing needs a buff... no one is using him 

7 imps hit box is still bad he needs 50 lives 

8 scientist needs more nerfs people are still spamming the chemist, zoologist, and marine biologist

9 superbrainz really needed the turbo twister nerf because all they do is use heroic kick then spin 

10 no zombies need a buff 

11 tennis star really needed a nerf and it doesn't feel like he was nerfed 

To fix this game:

nerf the citron and ice citron

Nerf the engineer and pirate turret they are impossible to hit and their damage resistance makes it harder

nerf the pirates shot gun and all abilities

nerf the imps health back to 50 the abilities are being spammed because there are like 5 imps every game and the mech didn't need a buff at all it needed a nerf

nerf all new plant and zombie variants introduced in PVZGW 2 that haven't been nerfed already list:

vampire flower

scuba solider

park ranger

tennis star

1) Electro PeaShooter: Has annoying habit of the shots going off prematurely  so it doesn't hit the mark.

2) Frost Rose and Roses: Basically useless to slow , not very effective at killing , and people can still kill you as a goat.

3) Citrons is overpowered or just overused? Why do you think he got so huge buffs? I'm going to assume it's because there's very little capable of combating the Imp mechs. Since they've been resistant to nerf the mechs buffing Citron was probably the easiest solution.

4) BBQ nerf is enough? No clue never play BBQ do to aesthetic reasons.

5) Chomper's digest:  A real problem it pretty much makes chompers useless one hit suicide characters. They can't even revive characters while digesting. They need a way to escape after digesting so it's not a one hit wonder.

6) Any other plant that could deserve a buff/nerf: Electro Citron could use better targeting I find it very hard to hit the targets with his weapon. Might need a slight damage nerf after the targeting is fixed not sure.

7) Imp's hitbox increase: Imps don't really offer much of a threat now unless in a mech so I'm fine with the current size unless they increase their damage.

8) Scientists nerf too harsh? Don't play them enough to have an opinion

9) S.brainz turbo twist deserved armor nerf now that roses and citrons will be more frequent? Yes Super brains is a little too good at everything.

10) Besides bias towards zombies being op, any variations or classes (especially old ones) do you think deserve a buff? Chompers need a major rework.

11) Tennis star doesn't seems anymore op, what do you think about this? (at least for me) In combination with super brains seems to put too much tankiness in the hands of Zombie players 200hp for both classes at the same time seems a bit much to me.

1) Alright

2) Alright

3) Both

4) Not enough

5) Should've balanced it, make his regular digestion a little faster and make the upgrade a boost to it, not make it a MUST need

6) Pop Corns and Mob Cob I still think need a buff along with Electro Citron

7) Was uncalled for

8) Was pointless, except the Zoologist nerf, that was too harsh, he is now a Chemist, but he is still just as overpowered at close range

9) What?

10) Buff Cosmic Brainz and Tank Commander

11) Just reduce his health, then it is fine.

1. not got round to testing
2. frost rose seems more comfy and  rose just need to be a tad quicker movement wise
3. citron and ice citron are OTT and there are incidents in wall clipping where the beam is going through a wall
4. still needs a nerf
5. nommingly better
6. pea gatling and husk hop are broken i think sometimes its fine and work as they should then there are times they instantly kill you in a second
7. just needs to be a bit bigger
8. its manageable now
9. seems fair
10. not at the min
11. same seems fair hes not easy to pick off / cactus fodder

1. Electro Pea shooter appear a little over the top right new. But is hard to tell because plants have gone mad in the last update. Now it has become very hard to win as zombies unless you abuse imp mechs.

2. They are fine atm... Maybe all Rose variants need a little damage buff - 10%??

3. Citron is overpowered as hell. Basically he is a killing machine and even if it too early to tell I think he is more OP than Rose before nerfs.

4-5. Chomper digest and BBQ nerfs are both ok

6. Plants are over the top atm. Toxic pea wasn't nerfed. Electro Pea is OP. SUnflower got damage buffs... And citron is a killing machine. I don't like it especially with the electro brainz nerf

7. now imp dies too easily outside of mech.

8. Scientist nerfs deleted this class from the game. Maybe the damage nerfs to variants were needed, but the war nerf destroyed this class.

9. There is no reason to play super brainz in the current patch

10. no comment

11. Tennis star wasn't overpowered at all... Just easier to play compared to other all star variants

1. Peashooters are  boring to play. I never used them and I will never use them.
2. They are decent. They still require a lot of skill, too much for a new player, but at least average players with a bit of practice can use her.
3. Overused, if anything, teams mainly composed of Citrons used to kick Z-Mech butt before the update, it's just that nobody played them.
4. Hot-Rod with upgrades= TDM God.
5. I always prefered Pops Corn and default, so I don't care
6. Commando Pea: Buff; no needs to nerf anything in my opinion.
7. It's easier hitting Imps, but it doesn't seem to be unfair, it's rather the higher number of Citrons and Roses with their CC that make him harder to play.
8. No, they still reward a good player, but they aren't as noobfriendly as they used too be.
9. Yes, more CC is no justification for something that was intended to be a finisher (only did 4-5 damage in the beat) to be this strong.
10. Hockey-Star and Archeologist
11. Golf -Star is love, Golf-Star is life. Seriously, his DPS is CRAAAZY. The Baseball-Star is another top-tier variant if you unlock the damage and overheat upgrades.
12. That's just unnecessary. I don't like Zaheen either, but you don't need to get personal.