@patdk75 but that's saying plants don't also need those perfect scenarios. Every combo is OP in the perfect scenario; but the fact of the matter is, they don't come around all that often. You know what happens if I play cpt cuke recklessly against a skilled/prepared/experienced opponent? Rolling Stone... Weed spray... You know why it works out for me more often than not? Because I'm skilled enough to know WHEN to play and WHEN NOT to play my cards, and because of the surprising lack of removal in many decks these days.
@patdk75, I'm afraid but @daalnnii is right. A specific situation is requiered for a card (or cards) to be considered Overpowered.
For example, I love Starch Lord. He is one of my favorite plant cards on this expansion. As @daalnnii said, if you know how and when to play your cards, anything can be broken.
For example: I know I need to be cautious when playing my card, due to the numerous threats out there. (Like a suspicious gravestone on turn 4 that can be a Pogo Rider, a Hearty class zombie heroe saving 3 brains for the trick phase, a Sneaky heroe that can possibly have the Deadly superpower in hand, etc).
If I see that the this situations cannot occur, I know is good for me to go and play my card.
If the Starch Lord survives (which is highly likely) it will conjure a card that I can use to further protect my Starch Lord.
Even better, my Starch Lord can conjure me ANOTHER Starch Lord.
What happens next is, I get a tremendous value advantage.
Hilariously, I don't think many people consider this card "broken" unlike many others, but as shown on the previous pic, it totally has that capability.
Same story for zombies. Most cards also need an specific situation to become OP.
Like a Team Mascot or Aerobics Instructor surviving, or a Synchronized Swimmer copying a big zombie instead of a small one.
Many small zombies surviving to be transformed by the Bad Moon Rising, etc.
Anything can be "broken", if used correctly.
Force Field can be absolutely broken with a Soul Patch, or completely useless if you are protecting a small plant against a strikethrough/overshoot zombie. (Or if it just gets overwritten with another environment).
Going Viral can be absolutely broken like on that video, or completely useless if you have no zombies on the board.
Same thing for ALL the plants and ALL the zombies.
The more experience you have at this game, the more you notice this.
I agree with both of you guys. The only thing I was pointing out, is the plant hero in that video had things going for him, and then buddy got either extremely lucky, or the cards finally fell in place so they kept and showed off this video I'm of the opinion that they had been attempting that for a while and finally got the cards. I find it extremely difficult to believe that the plant hero had no answer for 3 of those teachers, which is the only way he's able to do that for all of the amount of time and I also was surprised how much time he had in his trick phase.
I wasn't trying to imply that plants have such a huge advantage that zombies need ridiculous combo cards or op bark at the moon bs. I was just commenting on the video and the zombie hero would have been crushed if not for that combo working more or less perfectly. That was all
I know I have bias towards zombies and have bitched about certain cards being abit crazy, but anyone who spent the first week or two after clique peas came out and all I saw were those stupid bleeping bleepers game after game,..but that is no different than bad moon rising to the plant heroes, am I right? Basically everyone who could was loading up medulla nebula and vendors and praying...
I don't even want to comment on the starch lord...all I will say is ypu are right about not nearly as many people have picked up on or something cuz I hate that card....so much. I don't even like seeing him in my guardian collection lol, but he is there
Thanks for your numerous replies! I was playing so much that I really forgot that I did this post :D I have to admit I was exaggerating a bit because I had a loosing streak. However, I still hate all plants ^^ I am 100% zombie player although I am missing just a few plant cards. I don't know I just feel you don't need so much brain to play a decent plant deck compared to a decent zombie deck. For instance, the cliquepea which is yet uncounterable and can make you surrender pretty fast EVERYONE plays them ☹️ . Keyword combo. I also think that plants do not rely so much on combos like zombies. I am level 50 now without playing plants a single time but its just so boring that there are just a few inventive players. Most of them play a bean deck, doublestrike deck or sun flower spam infinite mushrooms deck. I just know the German name "Ableger" and all mushrooms turn into 3/3. If that is not enough to kill you the card occurs which transform all plants into random ones.
@daalnnii wrote: @patdk75 but that's saying plants don't also need those perfect scenarios. Every combo is OP in the perfect scenario; but the fact of the matter is, they don't come around all that often. You know what happens if I play cpt cuke recklessly against a skilled/prepared/experienced opponent? Rolling Stone... Weed spray... You know why it works out for me more often than not? Because I'm skilled enough to know WHEN to play and WHEN NOT to play my cards, and because of the surprising lack of removal in many decks these days.
Agreed. I usually smoke people using Captain Cucumber pre 40. After that it's typically reversed because people know how and have the urgency to deal with him.
Well, a big thing I've noticed as I play both. Just make a matchmaking at 50 with plants and with zombies. With zombies, you can match immediately after a min or so with 45+. With plants, you are searching ages and then you get someone around 30...
So why are much more players playing plants??? Well obviously because they are easy to play and op right now...
I feel like that most Zombie Players are UP. I guess thats hard to buff though ._.
you are right that Plants are easier to learn to begin with. Once you got used to the slightly more complicated gameplay both sides are en par.
It appears that most players just don´t have the patience to learn how to play zombies properly.
Trust me; I am a very spiky, tryharding player and ranked 50 in every season so far and I can assure you there are remarkable Zombie players out there that do not feel underpowered AT ALL.
My Impfinity deck is pretty good for me. I don't know what % win rate it has because I really don't follow that but I have gotten UL every season so far except the present one I haven't had time to grind the league and find when I have a minute casual is more fun. I have very few changes from season to season and that's one of the things that tell me that it's a solid deck. The thing I noticed when I play a plant deck, is unless a zombie hero plays hearty, they almost never have much removal...which is not the case, believe me. I have plenty in my deck(final mission, barrel of deadbeards, the chickening, etc) and let me tell you that even though I lose some games, I can guarantee that at least a few of the victors are thanking their luck because I have many times had a wallknight down to his last breath half dozen times in a game but sometimes Astro Vera and Tacos and so on. Ive overcome a pearadise that had 2 frickin Soul Patch on it...so yeah, I don't win every game but I don't think that I have a underperforming or underpowered deck
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