Requesting more communication
We all know things are pretty crazy right now and while I miss the streams, I understand why we can't have them at this time. This being said, the lull of news on the various Twitter accounts and her...
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@Iron_Guard8 (putting on tin foil hat)
I believe that communication is sparse because BfN is performing below expectations and won't be supported as long-term as initially suggested.
Huge caveat: I have no inside information. I don't review sales graphs, I am not involved in board meetings, and my uncle doesn't work for PopCap.
However, I have been around the block a few times and once got mugged in the alley. I am older gamer, and this pattern is eerily familiar. Updates are weak, bugs are unfixed, and communication is nonexistent. That is very indicative of a game that doesn't have any good news to share. I've seen this with games, comic books, and TV shows. Have you heard the phrase no news is good news? Yeah, that's garbage; don't believe that.
Remember when @spIash_damage posted a list of changes and asked for more communication (it was a wonderful thread)? Well, they responded with a shout-out on the live stream to a similar reddit thread (y'know, the place with all the inappropriate humor and drug references) and never acknowledged the hard work used to compile the information on their own official forums.
And now there is even less communication! Yes, there is a pandemic, and I certainly don't expect a livestream. Yet companies are still making it happen. Twitter is still running, these forums are still open, games are being announced, games are being released, and we even had an EA Play conference today.
I think prize maps will continue for a bit, and we likely get another plant character. I don't expect too much after that. BfN as a live service game? Not feeling it.
I believe that communication is sparse because BfN is performing below expectations and won't be supported as long-term as initially suggested.
Huge caveat: I have no inside information. I don't review sales graphs, I am not involved in board meetings, and my uncle doesn't work for PopCap.
However, I have been around the block a few times and once got mugged in the alley. I am older gamer, and this pattern is eerily familiar. Updates are weak, bugs are unfixed, and communication is nonexistent. That is very indicative of a game that doesn't have any good news to share. I've seen this with games, comic books, and TV shows. Have you heard the phrase no news is good news? Yeah, that's garbage; don't believe that.
Remember when @spIash_damage posted a list of changes and asked for more communication (it was a wonderful thread)? Well, they responded with a shout-out on the live stream to a similar reddit thread (y'know, the place with all the inappropriate humor and drug references) and never acknowledged the hard work used to compile the information on their own official forums.
And now there is even less communication! Yes, there is a pandemic, and I certainly don't expect a livestream. Yet companies are still making it happen. Twitter is still running, these forums are still open, games are being announced, games are being released, and we even had an EA Play conference today.
I think prize maps will continue for a bit, and we likely get another plant character. I don't expect too much after that. BfN as a live service game? Not feeling it.
@kapkarrotIt does feel that way which is a shame. I have no idea how well it's doing beyond what I see in game, it's not dead on PC, despite what I hear (although NA East is apparently one of the more populated regions), but adding bots does make it seem like they are already acknowledging issues with population. I was hoping to hear something about it with EA Live today, but saw nothing about any of the PvZ games.
I do remember that list, and I've never understood why they don't focus on the official forums and instead reference Reddit. Reddit does have some helpful people, but I just don't get why they don't hang around here more where they have more control and a lot of us prefer this environment anyway.
For all its flaws, I still like BfN so plan to hang around and play, also still playing some GW2 (although not as much), a little GW1 here and there too. I still want BfN to do well as I don't know if we'd get a GW3 if BfN doesn't go well. I'd hate to have no PvZ shooters to play, but I agree it looks bad right now, that's for sure.
@kapkarrot wrote:
@Iron_Guard8(putting on tin foil hat)
I believe that communication is sparse because BfN is performing below expectations and won't be supported as long-term as initially suggested.
Huge caveat: I have no inside information. I don't review sales graphs, I am not involved in board meetings, and my uncle doesn't work for PopCap.
However, I have been around the block a few times and once got mugged in the alley. I am older gamer, and this pattern is eerily familiar. Updates are weak, bugs are unfixed, and communication is nonexistent. That is very indicative of a game that doesn't have any good news to share. I've seen this with games, comic books, and TV shows. Have you heard the phrase no news is good news? Yeah, that's garbage; don't believe that.
Remember when @spIash_damage posted a list of changes and asked for more communication (it was a wonderful thread)? Well, they responded with a shout-out on the live stream to a similar reddit thread (y'know, the place with all the inappropriate humor and drug references) and never acknowledged the hard work used to compile the information on their own official forums.
And now there is even less communication! Yes, there is a pandemic, and I certainly don't expect a livestream. Yet companies are still making it happen. Twitter is still running, these forums are still open, games are being announced, games are being released, and we even had an EA Play conference today.
I think prize maps will continue for a bit, and we likely get another plant character. I don't expect too much after that. BfN as a live service game? Not feeling it.This is a post of mine from almost three months. I wanted to share this not to say "I told you so" or to rejoice in the game's demise. Instead, I want gamers to recognize the signs of a dying game. Maybe it will save them some heartache in the future.
And I was wrong; we did not get another plant character. That is, a fully customizable plant hero, and not a reworked AI mob.
@kapkarrot It’s unfortunate we saw this a long time ago. Splash called it the first week we played it, I tried to hang in there with faith but it was short lived.
Reading through this again, the lack of communication makes a lot of sense considering the end of new content for BfN. BfN has been plagued with so many issues, that I wasn't hopeful for things to get better, but as I've posted before, PvZ is one of the few IPs I care enough to get involved with this heavily, and I was hoping they'd pull a No Man's Sky, or what I've heard they're doing with Anthem that also had massive issues.
I've hung on this long as the 2 previous PvZ shooters were excellent and did well enough that you can still play them online right now. BfN did add some cool stuff, like the free roam regions, but it looks like the issues it has brought it down and it must have been under-performing monetarily for them to pull the plug so early. I'll be still playing, I'm going to finish up this month's prize map for sure and level up the characters, but I've been back at GW2 more heavily again and there many other games out there, but I do want to see a new PvZ shooter that brings people back and keeps us engaged in the future. Had this game not been a PvZ game I know I'd not have been here this long, that's for sure, I uninstalled OW at least 2 years ago for various reasons, and haven't regretted that at all.
So, we can still play all 3 games, which is a good thing to be sure. I hope someday, and the sooner the better, to see a new PvZ shooter with crossplay, less bugs, better Ops, less aggressive monetization, much better promotion than BfN has had, and long term support, and I hope to see all the familiar faces and new ones, when that happens.
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