Rose isn't that bad
Why do people think that rose is weak? I admit she seemed useless after the patch on her but now zombies constantly underestimate roses and as a result of this I usually get top kills and assists 85% ...
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That makes sense, and you don't need to justify it.
I heard someone say, "Sunflowers are fine because I saw someone with all the boasts with Fire Flower."
The funniest part about that guy was, he didn't even get the boasts himself? He based it on someone else getting them...sure any fire character is great because it ticks for 20 damage, and 25 with upgrades. It just means that, that player was bloody good and not the class is good. Just like if you're winning vanquish boasts with the weakest Citron you must be good yourself, and I'd love to watch a video or two sometime if you have any 🙂
You can't fully dismiss a class based soley on its ability to kill. That's pretty dumb. Sure you get many more kills as say a peashooter, but on defensive maps where would you be without the humble sunflower keeping your defence alive? Where would you be without Rose on offensive maps building teleporters, and disabling the defenders (if the game was balanced on those maps lol)?
BTW does anyone know for certain if goatify affects the ability of zombies to count as a defender when capping a point? It shouldn't imo, but if they still do then maybe that could be a (very) useful buff for her.
- Not going to lie, most games I play there are no Roses... And at most just 1.
But yes you can because killing is the name of the game. Those abilities from the Rose are used for the purpose of killing someone. That's the end result you always want. Killing is what it's all about. You try to slow people down with Time Snare in order to kill them! That's the purpose.
That's why Scientist and the like are simply better. Not only can they revive like the Sunflower, and heal like them, but they can kill much more efficiently. And he doesn't need to wait for some other character to use an ability, which isn't always available to disable them. He can do it on his own with simply his primary weapon. No gimmicks needed. Lots of classes do that. They are self sufficient.
Rose definitely is weak right now. Would you or anyone play Engineer if all he had was stun and a jackhammer and a weapon on par with Rose? I doubt it man.
Actually I would if we needed the Teleporter up, and no-one else had taken that role. I take Rose when needed for the same reason.
Are you saying you'd rather lose than take a class that can't rack up kills? Go figure 😉
- This thread of course because of one person changed away from the initial topic. Someone just wanted opinions on Rose and how they are doing fine right now but it turned to the OP being called a liar and the thread turning to misguided opinions about the Chomper and even I was mentioned when I witnessed the sunflower get all boast.
You're right, I didn't earn them all because I don't enjoy the sunflower class, not because its underpowered, not because its hard to play. Its just not my style but I have witnessed in person many players play amazingly as sunflower.
So no one bother responding to my comments above as i will not respond to them. I will not lock myself in a debate with children anymore then I already have in the past in these forums.
To revert this thread back to the original topic and not a ongoing attempt to break a game do to lack of skill, lets talk rose.
I always though the Rose was fine post nerf. Her small frame and hitbox is reason enough to lower her health to what it is presently at. If you are good with her you can accumulate a good amount of kills.
But people need to realize that PoPcap already stated that she was intended to be support and not damage so when one rose could tear down a mech in seconds or time snare a super brains or all star and murder them at any range, it got out of hand.
Her nerf made her how she was meant to be, support and balanced ad I know many biased plant team lovers will argue against that, but its true. She isn't meant to counter the engineer.
Rose is balanced.
@InC0g wrote:BTW does anyone know for certain if goatify affects the ability of zombies to count as a defender when capping a point? It shouldn't imo, but if they still do then maybe that could be a (very) useful buff for her.
I tried this last night. It would seem that zombies still count as attackers / defenders on capture points even when a goat. Please note I can't be 100% certain as it was complete chaos most of the time.
Can anyone confirm this for me? If so then maybe the devs could alter it so that isn't the case, which makes much more sense.
I got transformed to a Goaty and I was receiving capture XP. It was impossible to know if I counted as a player but based on the fact I got capture bonus, surely? It was weird though, I was playing on Zomburbia at the time and well I was trying to defend. Actually I can't remember who was attacking or defending, or what map it was, I just remember getting capture XP as a Goat :P
Also, I wouldn't switch to Rose just because nobody else was playing her, I would rather let the game end. You don't need the teleport up to win games, zombies win most of theirs without any Engineer at all. I play classes that I feel like playing, mostly Unicorn Chomper just because even when we are being spawn killed I can escape 🙂
I think you're missing the point slightly, and you can call me a bad player that's fine. You played Rose when you were defending and I was playing her when attacking, and I didn't ambush any Mechs really, I was cornered and virtually trapped anyway so I jumped out and started the fight. I'm giggling at your comments about winning vanquish streak and master with Rose though, I haven't even seen Rose win any boast since the patch, in fact I don't even see many playing at all. That game that I managed to get 13 kills in, it wasn't a full game, both spawn and teleporter was camped by Mechs and I doubt you would have even taken half the kills I got.
Cool story bro.
Rose is balanced with what exactly? She sucks.
- I play rose on offense and defense and do well with her on both.
