Take away “switch teams” temporarily
I don’t know if the intention for this was for people to help the lesser team. I can assure you that’s not how it’s getting used 99%of the team. That number is not an exaggeration by any means. I ...
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@dwooten77 wrote:@AWMaxSterling I get it. You’re in it for you. As most are in this game because that’s how the current design and outlay is. That’s precisely what’s hurting this game. It needs to be team based, as designed, and not based on the individual player, who wants to just do well with whatever it takes.
I've never understood why companies like this always reward based on kills. Most game types are objective-based and yet most challenges are personal stat based... and rewards at the end are based on individual stats instead of based on time spent progressing the objective. It's why most games like this always have issues. I started gaming online in the 90's... and back then kill/death ratios weren't a thing. It was about winning or losing. Kill/death ratios are what killed objective games like this. People can * and gripe about team switching all they want... disable it for all I care. They're still gonna get stuck with a bunch of stat padders sitting in back doing nothing to progress the objective.
@AWMaxSterling I agree with a lot of your points - the challenges undoubtedly cause lots of problems & yes, there will always be a number of players who constantly switch purely so they can stomp, sadly, rather than focus on team-play & objectives.
* The rest of this is for everyone, not aimed at anyone in particular:
Would disabling team-switch (just for a short time, maybe a few days) allow PopCap to collect better data on WHY most people switch, so they can see where the biggest issues are?
My personal wishes for things that might reduce team-swapping / stacking would include :
Challenges:
•Make all achievable in PvE as well as PvP.
•Randomise the character ones - just having everyone focus on the same few characters each month is also causing gameplay issues
•Have fewer based on vanquishes (GW2 challenges included things like contribute to capturing an objective)
XP / Stats:
•Make xp for revives equal to that of a vanquish, it's harder to do for a start & would also help TV as well as TT
•Increase xp for support & objectives generally
•Add heals to personal stats - WHY isn't this there atm?
•Remove the K/O ratio in objective-based games (I'd happily see the back of Vanquish Master as well, but don't envisage anyone going along with me! 😂)
Drop-outs:
Needs to be a way of evening up teams if people drop out mid-match - whether this is introducing AIs to plug the gaps until new players come in or something else
Matchmaking:
Teams do really need to have an even distribution of experience to try & avoid steam-rolling - we know they're working on this, so fingers crossed!!!!
* The rest of this is for everyone, not aimed at anyone in particular:
Would disabling team-switch (just for a short time, maybe a few days) allow PopCap to collect better data on WHY most people switch, so they can see where the biggest issues are?
My personal wishes for things that might reduce team-swapping / stacking would include :
Challenges:
•Make all achievable in PvE as well as PvP.
•Randomise the character ones - just having everyone focus on the same few characters each month is also causing gameplay issues
•Have fewer based on vanquishes (GW2 challenges included things like contribute to capturing an objective)
XP / Stats:
•Make xp for revives equal to that of a vanquish, it's harder to do for a start & would also help TV as well as TT
•Increase xp for support & objectives generally
•Add heals to personal stats - WHY isn't this there atm?
•Remove the K/O ratio in objective-based games (I'd happily see the back of Vanquish Master as well, but don't envisage anyone going along with me! 😂)
Drop-outs:
Needs to be a way of evening up teams if people drop out mid-match - whether this is introducing AIs to plug the gaps until new players come in or something else
Matchmaking:
Teams do really need to have an even distribution of experience to try & avoid steam-rolling - we know they're working on this, so fingers crossed!!!!
@ToastedSarnie wrote:
My personal wishes for things that might reduce team-swapping / stacking would include :
Challenges:
•Make all achievable in PvE as well as PvP.
•Randomise the character ones - just having everyone focus on the same few characters each month is also causing gameplay issues
•Have fewer based on vanquishes (GW2 challenges included things like contribute to capturing an objective)
Honestly, I'd prefer all challenges to be separated. For PvP, each map in each playlist should have one pool of challenges to pull from that pertains to that game type and that map. The reason being, some TT maps have you carrying a bomb, while another may have you carry a battery. Leave out any character based challenges from PvP. I don't want challenges which may force players to play characters they don't like. Let them do that in PvE. If there's an objective game type, I'd rather see a player around the objective defending it... than seeing a chomper chasing around foot soldiers due to a challenge that deters from the objective of the game. Instead of just vanquishes, I'd rather see vanquishes while defending within a radius of the objective... or vanquishes stopping an objective capture.
@ToastedSarnie wrote:
XP / Stats:
•Make xp for revives equal to that of a vanquish, it's harder to do for a start & would also help TV as well as TT
•Increase xp for support & objectives generally
•Add heals to personal stats - WHY isn't this there atm?
•Remove the K/O ratio in objective-based games (I'd happily see the back of Vanquish Master as well, but don't envisage anyone going along with me! 😂)
Ideally for the results screen, you'd want to see those with the most time in the objectives at the top and those perched in back only sniping at the bottom. Objective time should reward the most. Heals, revives, and boosts should reward more than vanquishes. As for boasts... remove vanquishes and assists and replace it with one for most capture time and one for most capture stops. It's a kid rated game and subtle changes like that could emphasize this being a game for casual fun play... where the average Joe who isn't a great vanquisher can receive a boast for standing in the objective a long time.
@ToastedSarnie wrote:
Drop-outs:
Needs to be a way of evening up teams if people drop out mid-match - whether this is introducing AIs to plug the gaps until new players come in or something else
I'd rather stay away from AI. Perhaps a notification of an opening in Giddy Park... whether a message flashing across the top of the screen or a biplane towing a banner making an annoying sound... or both... may be a way to get someone to jump in quickly. Maybe even converting the current matchmaking to a list of lobbies would be the way to go?
@ToastedSarnie wrote:
Matchmaking:
Teams do really need to have an even distribution of experience to try & avoid steam-rolling - we know they're working on this, so fingers crossed!!!
Part of the problem with this matchmaking and ranking system is... nothing about it is skill based. It's based on lobby filling. You can create a party of 4 and pub stomp all day and night if you choose. If we're just looking at filling lobbies, then depending on how full a lobby is would determine if merging lobbies or just adding individuals would be best. Perhaps even taking plants from one lobby and swapping with a plants lobby of another match to even things up. If we're looking for more even matches, then we need to find ways of calculating skill levels and go from there.
