He's now pretty much ineffective in his chomping ability. You can't swallow a zombie by chomping them above ground, and even the burrow chomp is rendered all but useless, as nearly every player hops across the map constantly. This is not done to avoid being chomped but because the maps are so freaking huge, players have discovered hopping gets you to locations quicker. As a result, even if the other player doesn't know you're there, unless they're stationary, you have little chance of making the kill. Then aiming the spikeweed is so imprecise compared to GW2. And I don't understand why? What purpose does it serve in the game for the weed to roll out and not land and stay where you were aiming it? What? For the sake of a stupid bit of animation you've hampered it's usefulness? In GW2 you could be right next to a zombie, spit out a weed, snare them, then gobble away. Now when you try that, you may not snare them at all, because the weed rolls. 😞It seems like Chomper is supposed to be used more as a long range attacker now, which is not the nature of Chomper!He is one of my all-time fav characters, but I really can't stand how he plays in this game. And I don't know if it's supposed to happen, but while playing him, if I get hit, my screen starts to go all dark. Even when I had pretty much full health, making it near impossible to see around me.

I'm actually on the exact opposite of the spectrum here ever since GW1. (But not only for Chomper, all OHKO abilities in general which includes Chili Beans, Imp Punts from GW1 and all OHKO abilities in BFN that come without notice like Eggsplosions.)Here's why:Chompers in GW1 forced many players to play above rooftops. And this forces the tradition once again with the existence of Chompers in BFN. There are many Captain Deadbeards (Eggsplosions everywhere now) or long range heroes in the Zombies team and less people wanting to be around the objective because Chompers can OHKO them without a fighting chance. They will be gooped, tortured and abused. Imagine having to contest around payloads having to worry about your back and the floor as well.It is difficult to contest or stand on objectives especially with the new map designs. For example, in Goop Gully, you have very limited places to step on in order to stay away from Burrows and they are not well informed to all players. Those high grounds could be corners which could obstruct your vision in a 3rd person shooter game. This leads us the next point.Standing on those specific high points, trying to avoid Chompers, makes you an easy target for all the plants to shoot at you. With all that limited space, you are denied to move freely and evade other abilities.What I'm trying to say is, there are too many things to pay attention to in the game already. Having to worry about Chompers going behind you all the time is just straight up mind taxing. It would force most players to be Engineers or Long Range heroes which isn't a really good idea overall. It would break the balance and harmony of hero pick-rates. Chomper now exists in an area close to the "Middle Ground" of balancing, which means he isn't too weak or too powerful (maybe slightly a bit powerful due to the new Goop) and other heroes can evade him with the new audible loud burrow sound (thanks PopCap!). Chompers already force Zombie players to pick 2 heroes to counter him: Engineer (for his burrows) and Scientist (to cleanse your team from Goop's Toxicity). The game had matured enough since GW1 and the necessity to take down heroes like All-Stars (which is probably one of the main reasons why Chompers were designed that way.) is no more. There are too many heroes that can shoot and take down high HP zombies fast.I understand that in every hero-based shooter game, there will always be players complaining about their "main hero" getting reworked or changed or nerfed. After all, your mind got used to playing that hero and it became a habit inside of you. Changing that hero feels like you're using a new vehicle you're not familiar with. The same exact thing happens in Overwatch as well of course (I have to bring Overwatch in most topics because it can work as an example to what balancing can be and what it does to the game overall). The developers have to be careful not to make something too powerful or break the balance which might lead to the birth of a certain metas that lead to winning easily. For example, if they decided to make Super Brainz or Engineer weaker, something else might break in the process and the zombies might lose balance. I'm not saying I'm against them tuning them down, I'm just saying that when they do tune them down, they will have to look at the bigger picture of things. Which is probably why the Chomper is tuned down to the version we have in BFN. The ONLY condition I would agree to them bringing back the old Chomper is when they force a hero-limit, which I don't think will happen anytime soon. With ONE chomper on the map, you know that if he died, you can push or contest without having to worry about him until he comes back again.I am from the minority and my opinion would be considered unpopular here but, I salute PopCap for tuning Chomper the way he is. It must've required a lot to do that.* This post doesn't take bugs into consideration. E.g. Assuming that Burrow works all the time. Yes, I played Chomper, and it doesn't work all the time for me either.* I have nothing against anybody's opinion here. I just like looking at the bigger picture of things before posting. Hoping that others would understand that as well.* Chomper's gender had been referred to as a male here. If you believe Chompers are a she.. Well, copy this post in a notepad, find "he" replace it with "she" and "him" to "her". Problem solved. And sorry for missing her Gender if she's a she to you. It was a difficult decision for me to make Chompers a he. People can get offended easily these days *wipes sweat*.

That darkness thing I've noticed, even in PvE, that needs to be fixed as I don't notice it on any other character. I was wondering what that was at first.Burrow should either be a little faster or last longer. The general targeting/lag input of burrow needs to be fixed too, it's always had that issue since GW1, but it's worse here. The hopping is a bit annoying, and it was pretty standard in GW 1 and 2, but it too feels worse here.I'm mixed on not being able to chomp once surfaced. On one hand it was frustrating in GW 1 and 2 to try biting a zombie so you weren't stuck digesting, and accidentally swallowing them when they moved, which made you vulnerable when you were avoiding that suicide chomper meme. On the other, it means you don't get the one shot Chomps as often. on Reddit back in GW2 balance talks, someone suggested that you had to zoom in to chomp so you could still chomp from behind, but weren't going to unless it was intentional, I've always liked this idea.My one issue with spikeweed is that it 'rolls' from the targeted spot. It should be more precise. It is nice to be able to shoot it , as it makes placement less predictable, but more accuracy would be nice.The new goop is actually really solid though. It was never meant for damage really in GW 1 and 2, more to reduce the zombie's ability to evade. In BfN, it does a small amount of damage after a moderate initial tick, prevents zombies in it from using sprint or abilities, and it sticks to them for a long time after, which is really nice to prevent them from running off and regenerating as the damage keeps ticking.I don't mind having the spit attack, it's nice to be able to shoot people that hide on roofs, but I don't want to focus on it. There are some improvements though, the pirate's barrel and the engineer's jackhammer (sprint) no longer protect them from being burrowed (if they're supposed to protect them, it isn't working at any rate), and you can burrow outhouse and screen door zombies, you don't have to break their armor first anymore.

Burrow is absolutely useless now.

I agree to, loved gw2 chomp, especially hotrod, had over 10k pvp kills, was made to flank and kill opposing flankers. Now idk what to do with him, sit back and just spit at other team? "Sigh"

Same.@EA_Blueberry @EA_David Seems this is a popular opinion. Maybe we can get this topic looked at?

Thanks for ruining Chomper! | EA Forums

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Iron_Guard8
Legend
6 years ago
They definitely wanted to make Chomper play differently. I've enjoyed him in BfN, even got vanquish and objective master defending at peachy district, but I also enjoyed him before, but not all that much. He was my least favorite character in GW1 and GW2 but unlike other hero/class shooters, there are no characters in these PvZ shooters I outright refuse to play as I don't dislike any of them, just like some more than others.
His playstyle was pretty much the same in GW1 and 2, so having these changes in this new game is going to be jarring. I prefer his new role of being more team friendly but obviously not everyone will be. Hopefully the fact that control, aiming, and other performance issues that are still on the Trello board will improve this for people further.
arit0824
6 years ago
@Iron_Guard8 Yes I hope there is some improvements to him in regards to performance issues, his play style has changed dramatically, and there’s different ways to play him now, taking even more skill if one ever plans to play him like an assassin (which is possible just more difficult than before).

Chomper skills aside, I love his new look and more family dog-like personality. It makes him cuter and gives him more personality to explain his chomping and eating skills. I’m glad chomper was made and part of GW1 and he’s been a joy to play him, even now with his different play style, his personality always shines bright.
spIash_damage
6 years ago
@arit0824 My wife (she loves watching, not playing) and I fell in love with Chomper in GW2 (didn’t use him in GW1) when we’d play private Ops and he was a teammate. He acted exactly like a disobedient puppy who wouldn’t stay near the garden ever.

Good stuff.
asabaida
6 years ago
I didn't play chomper much at all in GW2 and probably won't in BFN either...
but I kinda like the new chomper and he is very cute now....

hahaha @spIash_damage a disobedient puppy 😃

PS Wish they would do something about these emotes in this forum they are a bit guff.... and don't really display emotions at all... and there is no laughing ones... why?
Cant they be updated?
dwooten77
6 years ago
@spIash_damage Oh she definitely likes watching. I really like how she calls me Mr. Pitcher. And you little catcher.
But seriously, I’ve never been a chomper main not have I cared for them. That being said with this games speed I would not be opposed to chomper having a longer burrow or being able to chomp from the rear. He does need a little love. I wouldn’t change his goop or spike weed and leave as is. He needs to stay stealthy and not an oncoming vanquisher. I wouldn’t be mad if his shot was slightly toxic either. Not 5 tics like GW2 but maybe 3 on sets of 5.
branium_boi
5 years ago
sadly they stopped support for bfn so probably wont happen, i am warlando72

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