UniChomp Opinion & Solution!
This is in response to seeing what I heard at the end of the recent 'Live from Popcap' stream and what I've seen being talked about in the forums.
I'm assuming the only reason they are considerin...
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@WaxHalfling I agree he should be rare, but no reason that reaching Max rank in GW2 can't give people the Unicorn Chomper and something else.
I honestly thought the Hero Showcase idea would of shut the cry babies up, it's an awesome compromise. People get to play the Unicorn Chomper, max him out and then decide if he's worth attaining rank 313 for or not.
If they do go back on their word, where it looks like they will.
Make a poll asking rank 313 players what would they accept as an acceptable reward for reaching such a high rank if they give out Unicorn Chomper. That way you will still show that you some what care about your loyal players and people will feel a lot less annoyed with you.
@KnowsNoLimit Idk I think having people who have been grinding super hard to get Max rank on GW1 and then all of a sudden say "jk you can just max out on GW2" sounds like a good enough reason not to go back on their word...especially since Gary gave an early warning beforehand long before the UniChomp was announced that there would be a great reward to those who decide to hit Max rank in GW1.
I don't have a problem with the hero showcase though, if anything it gives people who were questioning wether he was worth it a chance to decide wether or not he is. By all means, make him a showcase. But it feels a pretty deceptive to go back on their word on this one...
I completely understand them wanting to please a lot of players and them giving players an entire year to earn UniChomp seems more than reasonable. But there's no way they'll be able to please everyone...
@MoonLiteWolf Thing is every stream I have watched their point of view on the Unicorn Chomper keep changing. It went from "no way, he was meant to be a loyalty reward to those who stuck with us and reached Rank 313" to "we are now thinking of other ways we can make the UC available".
This feels like the Aquafina and Cheeto's promotion characters all over again. People could only get them by buying their products and receiving a code to unlock the variant, but enough people complained and eventually it was given to everyone,
I honestly expect them to go back on the word on this one far sooner then the intended Feb 2017 cut off date. Which sort of makes sense because not everyone played GW1 or wants to it when GW2 is now released. However I would like them to take the most up most care when doing this and try to involve the rank 313 players in a poll with what they think would be cool to have for sticking by them and going the extra mile when they really didn't't have to.
@KnowsNoLimit I do remember them going back on their word for the Cheetos thing but to be fair that was a promotional item and a very hard one to obtain at that. Eventually those products wouldn't be available anymore and even so, there were many countries or even states who couldn't find them at their retailer anywhere. So it wasn't really fair from the start...
I do have faith that they will consider keeping their word and I'm sure it's something they've been talking about for awhile. I'm sure even UniChomp it's self was talked about for awhile before even being released as a loyalty reward. But it'll probably just end up being a majority vote thing... ☹️ i just hope they consider how important keeping their word really is...
They will lose their most loyal player base if they don't, if they haven't already.
@Zaheen1337 they aren't loyal at all if they are leaving for a silly reason of being late to the party for a reward...I'm certain they will reward loyal players of GW2 too but to say that people would just up and leave the community simply because they missed the boat on something, just seems disloyal to me.
You misunderstood slightly.
I mean, if they go back on their word and release Unicorn to everyone, they will upset and risk losing their loyal players.
You might then say they're not loyal for leaving, but that's your opinion. 🙂
@Zaheen1337 oh it appears i did misunderstand lol i thought you meant the people upset the GW2 only players about it. But yeah anyone who leaves because of this topic obviously wasn't that loyal from the start lol but I just meant they'd lose trust of some players. And trust is something that could greatly motivate a community
Exactly, like you if that trust is broken I'm not going to forget. I have no issue with anyone else getting it, heck I spent hours, days and weeks helping friends giving tips on how to get it. So if they plan on giving it away like hot cakes then, like you I won't be pleased.
Hero Showcase will allow players to max the character and earn that rank, but won't give them the character. I was hoping that we could distinguish between the two forever 🙂
Like you guys have said trust is invaluable, once broken it's nearly impossible to get it back.
This isn't a matter of who should we get what, it's a matter of principle.
Will the Unicorn Chomper be available some other way before the original 2017 cut off date?? most likely.
However be it as it may, you can still keep people's trust if you treat your loyal players with the utmost respect about it.
- Getting to max rank in GW2 would be fine, until you realize you have to have all of the legendary variants the z7 imp AND the unicorn chomper itself. So the hero showcase sounds like a good idea, but then people who couldn't play during the showcase (or who had little time to play during the showcase) are screwed in terms of getting the unicorn chomper. I had GW1 and I played the HELL out of that game, guess what rank I was? 73. Plus I only have certain weekends to play the game aaaaannnnddd 1 year is not enough time. Additionally, once you go back to the first game from the second game, the first one feels a lot less cool once you realize how much the graphics have improved and how many new characters there are. A pay wall is a HORRIBLE idea as it would basically say "thanks for all of your hard work guys and for playing our game, or you could just pay $10.00 to get it instead." What I feel would be cool is either a: making him obtainable through opening new 15 star chests in the backyard battle ground that respawn every week or so, or b: make him a legendary character obtainable through another NEW special way.
It's like talking to a brick wall, isn't it?
Can we just make people unlock the unicorn chomper if they hit rank 5001 because there are 2 special characters which are z7 imp and unicorn chomper preventing some people from hitting rank 5091. Some people put so much effort into PVZGW 1 and only get a stupid recolor for a chomper and 45 extra ranks. I had 40 million coins and everything unlocked in PVZGW 1 and Now I have 20 million coins In PVZGW 2 and nothing to spend them on. This clearly shows how easy it is to get maxed out in PVZGW 1 and 2 but so many people do not try to achieve max rank by using easy to use characters only. Unicorn chomper is just a stupid recolor of the normal chomper and a ability that compares weaker than the scientist warp and if you want the same effect use quick burrow while jumping and just press jump out of burrow.
Alright gonna add as a disclaimer that I have not read the whole thread yet and so I apologize if I'm just repeating old arguments.
This is the first I've heard of the Unicorn Chomper being available in any way other than Loyalty Rewards, and I'm sorry, but omg, I hope they do it. I totally get the other side's argument - stick to your word, reward loyal players, all that. Yes. I get it. But this is a character, and character effects rank. I will never hit max rank in GW2 if I do not have the Unicorn Chomper and that is a problem, not only for completion's sake, but look at it this way - so hitting max rank in 1 got you loyalty rewards in 2, right? So what about the possible eventual 3? Hitting max rank in 2 will probably have rewards there - and suddenly you have to have maxed 1 to max 2 to get rewarded in 3, and it's a chain effect that really does sort of punish new fans unfairly. At least the Z7 mech can be purchased through DLC, but there's currently no other way to get Unicorn.
So just play 1, you say! It's not that hard to hit max rank in the 8 or so months you've got left! Well sure, okay, 'hard' is a relative term depending on how much time I have to play and how skilled I am at the game and how busy the GW1 servers are on my platform of choice and etc etc whatever. But this brings up a new issue, and the one that makes me so gosh darn relieved to hear that they might let me get Unicorn another way. My EA account is borked. I play GW2 on Xbox, see, and I played GW1 on PC. Now, apparently at some point in the past I had a different EA account, and linked it to my old 360 and lalala went about my business. Well, that account is not the one I had GW1 on, and it turns out that in order to un-link my old account from my Xbox account and re-connect the Xbox to my new current EA account, it would erase all of my game progress. All of it. On every system. Every game I play that has online connectivity/saves. On both accounts. Everything. I play a lot of EA games. This, to me, is unacceptable (as in I'm not willing to do that, not that I'm like ticked that EA can't change that for me somehow, whatever, technical limitations I get it). So my GW1 rank is currently irrelevant. Barring paying for GW1 again - when I already have it - and starting from scratch on an old account I never use anymore, or giving up GW2 on Xbox and switching to another console losing all the progress I have already made in it, I will not get to benefit from loyalty rewards in GW2. So I will never get Unicorn Chomper and I will never hit max rank in GW2.
I get that this is an edge case and it's possible nobody else will have my problem, but this is where future new players come in, because at some point it will be impossible to earn Unicorn no matter what if you don't already have him. I contend it wouldn't even be a problem if the loyalty reward was not a character whose rank factors into the game's max rank. I see a couple potential solutions for this. 1) Let us all have some way to unlock Unicorn Chomper in GW2. Make it a reward for hitting max possible rank without it sounds good to me - that is going to take a lot of time, dedication, and luck (Legendary stickers anybody?). I get why people feel a little slighted at the idea if they unlocked him through GW1, but let's be honest, he'd still stay pretty rare in this case, because only the most loyal and dedicated players are going to hit that rank. Or, 2) Kill the time limit on loyalty rewards. If I ever hit max rank in 1, I get rewarded in 2. No 'this offer is only valid until 2017'. 'Cause sure, one day I might have the spare change and spare time to go through all the hurdles of buying another copy of 1 and playing all the way up to max, it's possible. Plus this would let any new players have that option, permanently. Lastly, 3) make Unicorn Chomper levels grant no player ranks, so that maximum rank is calculated without the Unicorn factored in. Loyalty players still exclusively get it, but it doesn't give progress towards maximum rank, and nobody is penalized in their rank for not having it.
If either of these is done, especially option #1, then sure, definitely make something loyalty-exclusive. Give them some super-cool customization options - maybe something for every character that no one else will be able to get. Or as I've seen suggested, make the Loyalty Unicorn Chomper the only one with Rainbow Warp, or even make the one that GW2 players unlock look different but count the same when it comes to rank only. But please don't lock everybody out of max rank on 2 if they are for whatever reason unable to achieve it on 1.
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Can we just make people unlock the unicorn chomper if they hit rank 5001 because there are 2 special characters which are z7 imp and unicorn chomper preventing some people from hitting rank 5091. Some people put so much effort into PVZGW 1 and only get a stupid recolor for a chomper and 45 extra ranks. I had 40 million coins and everything unlocked in PVZGW 1 and Now I have 20 million coins In PVZGW 2 and nothing to spend them on. This clearly shows how easy it is to get maxed out in PVZGW 1 and 2 but so many people do not try to achieve max rank by using easy to use characters only. Unicorn chomper is just a stupid recolor of the normal chomper and a ability that compares weaker than the scientist warp and if you want the same effect use quick burrow while jumping and just press jump out of burrow.
This is precisely why the UniChomper cannot be released in other fashion. Because we have players who look at it as a ranking tool or a coffee mug. No respect for what it means to the players who maxed their rank in GW1 before there was a reward.
@IronCatFish47 wrote:This is precisely why the UniChomper cannot be released in other fashion. Because we have players who look at it as a ranking tool or a coffee mug. No respect for what it means to the players who maxed their rank in GW1 before there was a reward.
How would you feel about them making the Unicorn Chomper not count towards player rank, then? I'll admit I see what you're saying, but the truth is as long as characters do count towards rank, it is in a way a 'ranking tool'. I want the Unicorn Chomper as a character sure, because I enjoy Chompers and I think it looks awesome, but in the end what bothers me most is that my inability to get it will keep me from ever getting max rank. If they fixed that in some way without giving me the Unicorn Chomper, I'd be okay with it.
@NightRaven713 wrote:
IronCatFish47 wrote:This is precisely why the UniChomper cannot be released in other fashion. Because we have players who look at it as a ranking tool or a coffee mug. No respect for what it means to the players who maxed their rank in GW1 before there was a reward.
How would you feel about them making the Unicorn Chomper not count towards player rank, then? I'll admit I see what you're saying, but the truth is as long as characters do count towards rank, it is in a way a 'ranking tool'. I want the Unicorn Chomper as a character sure, because I enjoy Chompers and I think it looks awesome, but in the end what bothers me most is that my inability to get it will keep me from ever getting max rank. If they fixed that in some way without giving me the Unicorn Chomper, I'd be okay with it.
And what does rank attribute to exactly...? I just find it odd that you care about your rank in one game, but not the other. The UniChomper is a gift from POPCAP. That is how I see it. You just want another fifty levels, but quite frankly I don't care if it went towards my rank or not. It just happens to. The UniChomper is not a tool. It is not a coffee mug. Your precious GW2 rank means nothing.
If you think about it, the UniChomper is a max rank reward. Therefore, you should feel compelled to max your rank in GW1. When we have players now who are maxing their rank in 2-3 weeks, no one has an excuse. No one is above this. Why can't you just go back to GW1 and do your part...?I request that you read my post above yours, in which I explain why I am unable to obtain the Unicorn by reaching max rank in Garden Warfare 1. My rank in 1 is irrelevant due to the issue explained therein, but let it be said that I cared about my rank in that game too. If I could so simply just 'go back and do it', I likely would. That isn't the issue for me.
I don't just want another 50 levels. I'd love to have the Unicorn. I'd love to be able to receive my loyalty rewards that I have earned. But I cannot at the moment, and those '50 levels' are just a slap in the face. Because of a technical limitation inherent in EA accounts, I not only can't have my Unicorn but I can't even have my max rank in GW2 either.I acknowledge that my issue is one that not many people will share, which is a large part of why I am focusing on the generalities and the issue I see of tying rank to a loyalty reward - rank being something all players have access to, while Unicorn is not - instead of on whether or not 'go back and earn it' is a viable solution (though again I note one day in the future this will not be a viable solution). But please don't accuse me of being lazy, unwilling to put in the work, or not understanding the point of a loyalty reward, especially after I have already explained why I don't already have Unicorn happily nestled among my selectable characters.
I understand your concern about max rank, and honestly I feel like if they were to keep Unichomp in rotation for Hero Showcase then it wouldn't be a problem for those who aren't willing to go back and get max rank in GW1. This way new players have access to it and still have a chance out maxing out the character without technically owning it themselves.
Your unique circumstances don't justify releasing the UniChomper in any other fashion. You should consult EA again with your account(s) consolidation.
The UniChomper is not for new players to test drive in hero showcase. It is for players who max their rank in GW1 old or new.
Which is why I made other suggestions, such as making the Unicorn not count towards rank. You are so openly superior to people who are trying to argue the other side, I'm sure I'll never be able to change you opinion. I know my unique circumstances justify nothing, for they are unique, but they effect my opinion. Whether my circumstances can be fixed by EA is neither here nor there (though it's not like I haven't gone through the proper channels to see if they could without erasing all of my everything before settling myself into 'well I guess I won't have him' mode).
I expressed excitement and support for the idea that I might be able to in some fashion access this thing I have been denied by circumstance. I offered reasons for my feelings and suggestions for ways I thought the issue might be solved and hopefully keep everybody happy. I think this sense of entitlement is so... strange, to have people saying in one breath 'no this must be made exclusive only to people who achieved this great thing!' and then in the next 'come on it's not so hard to achieve this thing everybody can do it you're just lazy!'
Ranking is fun in GW2. It reflects time spent and dedication to the game. GW1's ranking system reflected ability to complete specific challenges or purchase challenge skips. I'm not saying it wasn't fun, but it's different. Likening desire to reach max rank in 2 with ability/desire to do so in 1 is not an even exchange, and will not always be a possibility anyway. If anybody from EA or PopCap reads these threads, keep the Unicorn exclusive if you must, but don't bar dedicated future players from obtaining maximum rank in the current game.
One day Garden Warfare 3 will be out, and somebody will be complaining about their inability to obtain whatever loyalty reward max GW2 rank gets you because they came into the series too late to get Unicorn Chomper. And I bet there will be people telling them it's too bad they couldn't bend time and space they must not have been dedicated enough to deserve it.
Disregarding your circumstances, it is by design that players who started from the beginning have access to certain things that new players won't. It is no accident the UniChomper has levels or that players who start in GW2 won't be able to max their rank unless they go to GW1.
You must make a case that the UniChomper effects your ability to progress in GW2. The UniChomper was a reward for specific guidelines that were not required to unlock (progress) everything in GW1. You don't need it to play GW2 and it doesn't effect your ability to play it either, therefore you are not entitled to it nor is any player new or old above maxing their rank in GW1 to earn it.
I truly sympathize with your circumstances, but please go back to GW1 and max your rank or talk with EA again.
Alright. Just putting this out there. I am max rank in GW1.
My EA account that GW2 is linked to is an old one that I do not use anymore, and not the one that my GW1 is linked to, so it does not recognize me for loyalty rewards.
In order to un-link the old account and link the proper account, I would need to consent to the erasure of all of my progress made in any EA game ever - Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Spore, Sims, possible loss of SW:tOR characters and items, and loss of all progress in GW1, across both accounts and every system I play on. There is no way around this, I have already discussed the situation extensively with EA support and accepted that there is no real solution, as I am unwilling to sacrifice everything in so many games.
In order to get loyalty rewards, I would need to buy another copy of GW1 on the account my Xbox One is linked to, and level up all over again. I have so little disposable income that spending even $20 on a game I already own is not a possibility right now. Maybe I will be able to do it in the future, hopefully before the time limit runs out, but it is neither here nor there.
And again I fully understand that this is a unique circumstance that is probably only being experienced by me and is probably not even relevant to the discussion at this point, so this is the last time I'll explain it.
Just please stop telling me to go do something I have already explained will not get me the Unicorn Chomper in the first place, and on top of that is something I have already done. Thank you.
In situations like these, EA/PopCap should manually amend your account and give it to you with proof you have levelled it on the account?
Im with @IronCatFish47 and @MoonLiteWolf on this one though and I couldn't care less if it gave me extra ranks or not. I didn't spend a month grinding out levels on GW1 just so I could max my rank in GW2, I did it solely for the unique and beautiful Unicorn Chomper which means so much to me than it ever would to someone who doesn't earn it the same way (totally not aimed at you here).
I guess in your situation, you just have to way up whether or not you want it bad enough and whether you'll play them other games again or not. You're not the only player with account mix ups, I've heard of others who have levelled to 200+ on other accounts but have had to start again etc, it's pretty much the same thing.
Such is life, and in many other game titles I've played there are items I'll never be able to obtain due to similar situations but I don't ever mention or comment about them, I just accept the fact I'll never have them and work on what's available to me.
@IronCatFish47 You don't need to tell me UniChomp's intention, I know exact what it was intended for...but if they are giving people till the beginning of 2017 to get the max rank I'm pretty sure giving people a chance to see if it's worth it is perfectly fine. To say no one should even get to touch it though they can't own it - does seem selfish...especially if it does affect max rank.
Its simple logic
if you don't get to max rank in PVZGW 1 then why do you want the unicorn chomper? You need the unicorn chomper to get max rank but requires a max rank. Also I see very few people actaly play as chompers so why should we make it easier to get the unicorn chomper if many of you haven't even mastered the normal chomper because thats what the unicorn chomper is.
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