You want a buff to the Sunflower? How about overheal?

@xxSe4l-MLG420xx

Something I've never thought of, sort of similar to absorption shields in a way by being able to take more damage ultimately, why not just give the whole side a health increase? ^^

There are so many abilities that zombies have now that pretty much one shot all the lower health plants to the point where they're too much of a liability to even play. Your suggestion prevents all these one shots, but only if they are close or around a Sunflower which will make her the most wanted. Someone else suggested give her a watering can similar to zombies heal station which heals multiple plants effectively. The issue for me is health and armour the zombies have, couple that with the fact most of them have such high burst damage that you only need to ever use one ability and land a few hits and the plant dies.

The shotgun idea was a pure and hard counter to the Scientist, and couple that with a shield it would give Sunflowers a chance to win the fight, but not always. Not to rule out your suggestion at all because it's a good one, but I still want to see a class on the plants team with a deadly shotgun similar to Scientist. A lot of players feel like the game would be stale if you're copying roles on both sides but what's the alternative? ^^

Speaking of overheals, it's made me want to suggest a lot of aura type abilities that give damage bonuses and the like. Another player suggested a Bonk Choy pot that stuns nearby enemies, and deals damage to them which would have a similar effect as a shotgun, kinda.

There are so many things they could do to balance teams, but it feels like zombies have been created by a much greater evil and will always be bigger and stronger. Anyway back to auras and overheals, since Cactus has a semi useless Tallnut now maybe that could give out an aura to nearby plants and gives them extra armour (damage mitigation) until it's taken out, would sure give Cactus a good useful ability when capturing points.

Lets see what others think of your brilliant idea 🙂

I almost thought you said Crumpet for a moment and now I'm hungry...

Well it was your suggestion that Cactus aura idea, it would tie in with all the previous versions of the game too. I don't want to make a new thread with it on, I'll do that once patch notes are released and after things have played it out, just like last time. Feel free to make one or include it in your first post, I'm pretty sure this thread will be popular because it wasn't me who made it 😉

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@xxSe4l-MLG420xx wrote:
As far as the Shotguns go, somebody suggested a Ghost Pepprt with a Shotgun. It would be awesome if they added him as a true tank with the shotgun or flamethrower-like device (with a higher range than the spray on the Chompet) to break up the Graveyard defense and be the nightmare of Scientist. And that aura idea is a pretty damn good idea to make the Cactus better on offense AND defense, kinda like Deadbeard.

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That would t be me. Sunflower with a shotgun would never work as she doesn't have the utility to use it effectively like the Scientist can. What you need is a high burst DPS close range character similar and that would indeed be Ghost Pepper. 

She's a ghost that could phase teleport in and out of combat. She doesn't need a shotgun per say, because her mouth is the shotgun. In PvsZ2 she was a close range character which attacked with mini ghosts when she got angry and she was very strong. Think of her being like a spray Chomper, but a lot more powerful and that's why she's perfect for the role, Her mouth ghosts simulated the spread of a shotgun, she could even take down a Gargantur when fed Plant food or hurt them severely when just attacking.

There's a reason she's my fav plant in the series, from the look to her and the ability to just destroy everything. She's exactly what the plants are missing in this game.

Well, I'm almost sure that the majority of the Sunflowers will get some kind of damage buff as everybody on Twitter is complaining about it as of right now.

Overheal would be an interesting thing to add in to a game like this. With that, the HP discrepancy between Plants and Zombies would lessen - provided people actually swap to Sunflower. 

This is a MUCH better idea for a Sunflower buff than the half-baked suggestion of giving her a shotgun too. 

Maybe they could also buff her heal flower because the heal station heals way faster than the flower plus I also think the should buff her health to 125 to make it fair to the sunflower because the scientist has much more dmg compared to the sunflower. Another thing that could happen is maybe add an ability in place of  sunbeam (not replacing it though) that maybe increases the amount of dmg or/and HP for overheal and at the same time increases the sunflowers defense, dmg or/and HP. :O nice idea btw

i think the problem with sunflower is:

Very squishy, you die so fast and with no move hability to help escape you are the easiest kill ever!

I think she need be a dedicad healer sup, but with strong skill to protect yourself

Like a Sunfire shield when you lost 40% HP you receive a shield that absorbs 35% total health for 3s. It will give you some time to try avoid dmg. One time each 1,3mins cd

or maybe a shield after you revive one person.... i dont know but something need be done because it is frustrating die alot in games and like with one hit.....