Kylo Ren Frenzy Broken
Product: Star Wars Battlefront II Platform:Microsoft XBOX One What is your issue related to? General Summarize your bug Kylo Ren’s “Frenzy” ability is not breaking through saber wielders blocks. E...
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So I have just tested this in Arcade. Everything I said is still valid, however one thing which I wasn't aware yet was that if one remained blocking Frenzy he could block all 3 hits. It wasn't like that in the past. It still does break the block, but the time it takes between hits is too long to fit into the broken block time window. Good to know.
You're probably getting the "breaking block" thing wrong. There's a difference between breaking block and bypassing block. I know people usually use one in the place of the other, but breaking block is actually making the enemy become vulnerable to damage while his block is broken. When a damaging move does that, it usually applies damage before breaking block, which means that that hit will be blocked, but the block will be broken afterwards. Bypassing block OTOH is when you ignore a block, like Yoda's Dash Attack (or in the past Grievous's spider move, Kylo's Pull, or Rey's Dash Strike). Anakin's Passionate Strike does both Break and Bypassing Block if I'm not mistaken.
So my impressions are either taken from a massive mismovement of enemies when affected by Frenzy, or the help of teammates in hitting the same enemy during the broken block windows.
However I still think this is ok and balanced for HvV. It's still a very powerful ability which helps even when the enemy isn't taking the hits.
To finish this just mind that even if his skill doesn't deal much more damage then his swing (actually it does the exact same), it's still a whopping 125, which can land 0 to 3 times. According to my impressions, if it usually hits once, and sometimes twice, its average damage is something above 125. Vader's choke does around that damage, and also Yoda's Dash Attack, Rey's Dash Strike, Grievous spider move, Dooku's lightning if it hits only one target, Palpatine's Chain Lightning, Phasma's First Staff Hit. So it's ok, as besides those most skills actually do lower damage like Luke's Push, Repulse, and Rush, Yoda's empty Unleash, Maul's Choke Hold, Spin Attack, and Throw if it hits once, Anakin's Pull and Heroic Might, Kylo's Pull, Grievous's unrelenting advance if it hits once and Iden's Stun Droid.
Most high damage abilities are actually from Blaster Heroes like Iden's and Leias secondary fire, Han's Detonite and Shoulder Charge, Chewie's Slam, Lando's Sharpshot, Phasma's second and third staff strikes, Boba's rockets and Bossk's Arsenal. Obi's Push, Ani's Retribution and Passionate Strike, Vader's Throw, and Dooku's Duelist are exceptions.
And if you manage to hit Twice, you're dealing more damage then most abilities (250 damage). Only Han's detonite does that if it detonates really near an enemy, or Phasma's third Staff Strike which deals actually more, or Iden's Zoomed-In Pulse Rifle Headshot from a good range which is the most damaging ability of any Hero/Villain in the game.
Hitting 3 times, which I know it's very rare, actually puts it above the most damaging ability there is (not counting those abilities which may deal loads of damage if all hits are registered, but which doesn't happen ever like Bossk's Dioxis, or Grievous's Unrelenting Advance, all 3 hits of Phasma's Staff Strikes and so on).
BTW, I never said abilities wouldn't cancel his Frenzy. I said heroes engaged in a Frenzy by Kylo hardly ever get to properly use a skill which gets them free, as these skills usually are so slow or require such precise timing that the Frenzy usually hits before the ability works and cancels its effect. One notorious example that usually does get out frequently is Luke, as his Push is fast enough to be used during the time window between Frenzy hits. But then hitting him in the back usually prevents this.
SO in my experience it's much more then 15%. Hitting at least once is something much more then 50% to me, and as it deals 125 dmg and has all these other benefits I listed, I think it's a great skill. Its 40% damage reduction to allow you to leave it with dignity if someone disrupts you is also great and makes the skill a very balanced one IMO.
I have to strongly disagree and would invite you to review the game clip I mentioned in my previous post.
for clarification purposes; yes, I expect Frenzy to BYPASS blocks!
By NOT bypassing blocks correctly, no, the ability is not balanced and does not contribute towards balanced gameplay. An ability that fails to land ANY damage MORE than 80% of the time is NOT balance, I’m sorry; and I’m sure the majority of the gaming community would agree.
Again, I never stated that EVERY strike would recognize damage as hero’s CAN dodge the strikes and in some cases, can even dodge the initial strike if properly timed, however, Frenzy should NOT simply be able to be 100% blocked and register 0 damage when properly timed and that’s what’s happening and the video clip I referenced is proof of that.
The circumstances you’re quoting such as teammates assisting or dodging are NOT what I’m describing.
In my experience with this character and this game, which goes back to pre-release; I have been playing this game since pre release; I’m telling you that the ability, in its current state, is not functioning properly on HvV on Xbox One. Again, refer to the game clip video I referenced for further understanding.
Under no circumstances of “balanced gameplay” should a properly timed ability activation result in absolutely no damage done or no effect done.
Also, just for clarification purposes; what I’m explaining is that properly timed Frenzy activations are dealing ZERO hit ... ZERO .. not one, not tow, not three, not sometimes two .... ZERO.
All 3 strikes are being blocked without using any dodge.
Thats a problem.
With regard to the damage reduction, no; absolutely not. 40% is garbage.
Kenobi gets 80% for All out Push and Vader gets 90% during Choke!! And Kylo gets a measly 40% during a VERY short time frame ability????
personally, given Kylos lower base health and the short duration of Frenzy that should be closer to 60% - 70% reduction to be in line with everyone else.
But thats not what I really have concern with; the Frenzy ability not regularly recognizing damage is, and again, there is video proof of this.
Ive been gaming since 1987; I’ve played across every genre and platform; I have to be honest here the overall mechanics on Battlefront 2 have to be some of the most poorly coordinated I’ve ever encountered. Due to that it’s makes it all more important that abilities work and that they’re balanced with regard to all characters, not just themselves.
Well, I never searched for XBox clips, but you can display your clip here, I'll definetly review it if you bring it here. In the Compose tab of a Reply you can insert video through the 'Insert a Video' button in its panel. After clicking it you choose the 'From the Web' tab and put the link there and hit preview. After the preview is loaded you just need to choose its size and confirm and the video will be shown here. This way ou can show any video no matter its length, as it won't be uploaded to this site, just showwn in the reply. Let me show you an example using an youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHiLtjZlWh4
This is me showcasing the Secret Skins BUG, but the Kylo gameplay also shows how easy I landed several Frenzy Hits, which in my case are dealing 145 damage as I use his Frenzy dmg enhancing Star Card.
Continuing the discussion, I doubt the community would back up your idea. People were already very vocal about Block Bypassing, it isn't something people like. In some cases there are some who defend them, but in most of the cases people get happy when they get rid. Rey lost this, Grievous lost this, even Kylo with his Pull lost the 10 dmg bypassing block. Only Yoda got it back because people were too used to it, but now many are complaining that he's overbuffed and doesn't need a block bypassing move anymore. What you're suggesting is that a really good character gets a good ability he has to start bypassing block, which will mean it'll usually hit 2 times instead of 1, and may hit 3 times more easily. This means that skill will start to deal 250 to 375 damage in a regular basis. People won't take this lightly, the community will complain a lot.I'll continue to discuss this up to the last post you made, but when I show you everything is working as intended, especially because devs aren't very clear what exactly the abilities do, so we must take player feedback and character ranking in the meta to see if it seems right, we're delving into the realm of opinions, and this is a BUG reporting forum, not a place to discuss changes to the game. And Frenzy seems right, despite it could use a tweak to not allow a character to simply stand blocking all 3 hits, which is as easy as decreasing the time between hits, so the following hits can get the enemy before he recovers from the broken block.
I've been playing since pre-release too. I have more then 1700 hours of gameplay. I have seen all iterations of Kylo's Frenzy, and despite I liked more that one which he could hit up to 7 times, this one is much more reliable then that one back then. With the damage boost I feel it's actually better, despite not so interesting as before. And there were many iterations, especially the initial one, which the skill was utter garbage, as a simple move by the enemy would usually make the skill miss. It was too easy to ignore Kylo's Frenzy in some updates of this game.
And yes, Battlefront II is very messy concerning their core game mechanics. I agree many things are flawed, I've been very vocal about this since February 2018. But in this case I feel everything is OK. You insist the skill does nothing when it's blocked, but I already explained this is not true. An enemy defending Frenzy not only becomes vulnerable to Kylo's allies, but also becomes semi-stuck in the frenzy for its duration as if he tries to ignore Kylo and attack someone else, his attack will fail, and he'll then be hit by Frenzy. It's a skill which may deal good damage, makes the enemy easy prey for allies, and gets the enemy busy with Kylo for 1 to 2 seconds. In HvV this is very good as there it's all about teamplay. I use it a lot and it's always a good move. It also has a very low recharge time, which allows it to be used very frequently. It can also be used to close distance quickly, like another dodge. It's a great skill.
And about the Damage Reduction, I agree it isn't one of the highest there is, but it's good for Kylo. Most of the damage Kylo takes during Frenzy is damage which will also disrupt Frenzy, so this reduction usually applies only once as when the ability is cancelled, the damage reduction is cancelled with it. It also doesn't last long enough for a shooter to melt him down, unless he's ganged up. I know Ani, Vader, and Obi can withstand much more, but IMO their damage reduction is too high, it isn't healthy for this game. I think theirs should decrease while Kylo's is already in a good state.
So get the video here so I can review it. A character which is standing up can block skills and attacks, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened in the case you described. Also take a look at mine and you'll see Frenzy working like a charm.
