This game should be pulled
This game I am not liking it anymore! Because I liked this game when it came out and played all of the events but this game should be pulled. I'm sorry because these players don't do anything, there ...
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"There hasn’t been a new SW title announcement because there can’t be; there simply isn’t time. EA’s contract with Disney ends in 2023 and there’s been no confirmation that Disney intends to renew it with them as of yet."
BFII was released in 2017, if they had done it like in the Battlefield series they could've released a new one in 2020 already. When was BF2015 released again?
They managed to make Squadrons. This game was financially disastrous for them, so the deadline isn't the only aspect here.
"Again, the number of people on other platforms advocating that this title be tossed in the bin FAR exceeds the few who think it still has multiplayer value."
Who told you that, some circlejerking redditors? Like who are those people even, 1 - 5% of the entire playerbase?
Where is that sentiment of pulling that game coming from anyways all of a sudden? Just few weeks and months people were talking about this game normally here, is this some sort of new trend coming from reddit or something?
"Pulling the game plus being up front about why AND putting the effort into making a descent game would go a long way in starting to turn that reputation around."
A very long way I might add. People would just think it's nothing than image caring right now with no real intentions behind it.
To show the community that you're being serious about great improvements for the future and for all series invovled, you don't need to pull any game at all but change your policy and stick to it. Pulling the game contributes nothing to such future plans, it's stuff from the past and proves nothing.
Imagine the outrage and theories that'd emerge within the community across all titles. Like that EA is not honest anyways and is going to pull more game in the future to press people into buying their new products, with pulling BFII only being the first experiment, and that it's a shallow attempt to make people forget the errors involved with this game.
Why would this company want to draw attention to a dead game and risk a shitstorm because some minority insists on them doing so?
@TRlALON There’s no way EA was going to produce Squadrons and another SW title in the time left on their contract; it’s completely unrealistic. Squadrons was a flop and it has a lot to do with people not trusting EA / DICE to produce anything of value.
As for “whom” these people are; the platform people use to express their experiences doesn’t invalidate them. You think because people collab on Reddit that it’s somehow not legitimate? News flash; ALOT of players of BF 2 post issued and questions on Reddit because they can’t log into EA forums. I myself can log into this support forum but I can’t login to the official SW BF 2 community forum because of an Origin issue EA refuses to fix. So let’s not sit here and act like only the people who post here know anything or matter because that’s not true.
the amount of topic posts & threads on Reddit rival what’s posted here so I’d say MUCH more than 1% - 5% of the player base; likely the majority of it.
I don’t know why anyone had been talking “normally” about this game here as if all this time this game has somehow been an “acceptable” level of quality. I have been critical of this game for years now, back way before end of life, in an effort to try and get issues fixed. EA fought with us to fix the dodge to block issue. So I don’t know who talked about this game “normally” or what that means but what I can say, and part of the point I’ve made here, is that you likely have new players finding this game or having found it recently and getting a bad taste for EA because of how bad this game is.
Just look at how many new threads on THIS forum pop up from people not knowing the game is end of life! Obviously they’re newer; that’s likely where a lot of the sentiment is coming from and I don’t blame them.
Pulling the title would be more like putting out a fire at this point because there is evidence to suggest that more and more game players are establishing a poor outlook on EA by finding this game.
There has never been a valid argument for selling a broken or bad quality product. If you found a broken item on the shelf at Wal Mart you’d expect them to pull it and try better. For some reason we’re observing a different standard for EA and we shouldn’t.
"There’s no way EA was going to produce Squadrons and another SW title in the time left on their contract; it’s completely unrealistic. Squadrons was a flop and it has a lot to do with people not trusting EA / DICE to produce anything of value."
That wasn't a problem either in the timespan between BF2015 and BFII, even given that BFII is packed with way more than the previous game.
Of course they're not going to do that now, if they had ever planned that, poduction would've started way earlier already.
Again, if that's what people think of EA already, then pulling a dead game won't change that unless they see actual results in upcoming ones.
For the Battlefield series, if they'd pull e.g. BFV that'd not make me any happier unless BF6 really is basically more like BF3 as they promised.
"As for “whom” these people are; the platform people use to express their experiences doesn’t invalidate them. You think because people collab on Reddit that it’s somehow not legitimate?"
Yes, in the regard that it doesn't represent the entire playerbase just because people gather at some forum. Besides, the devs leaning to that and youtubers is one of the reasons why the game has received those really weird back and forth balancing in the past. Some really loud requests and as soon as it's done, there's that outrage of people requesting the opposite.
The way how reddit works it's misleading already to even estimate who's the majority over something. Not to mention that not everyone even uses reddit or speaks fluent English and so forth. Also you talked about people posting questions and issues on reddit, that doesn't even mean that they want to kill the game entirely. Yes, I wanted to see Ahsoka in this game too.
"part of the point I’ve made here, is that you likely have new players finding this game or having found it recently and getting a bad taste for EA because of how bad this game is. "
The bad taste, again is not just a Battlefront thing and one game pulled won't extinguish that fire.
As if Battlefront is the only game series that has been made under EA's supervision.
To improve the quality, change the course and show what you got for the community in the future, else you can pull BFII and other games as often as you want.
Why would the EA staff come up like: "Hey, let's start another controversy and shitstorm by pulling that game because we don't have enough yet!"
People have bought it with the expectation of playing it online, forcing it into an offline state is not what they're going to like. We can't act like everyone is having zero fun with this game or completely moves on to different games. If it is like that, it'll all be solved by itself when people abandon the game like in BF2015, with a small core left who like the game for their own reasons.
As no new Battlefront is coming, what are BFII players supposed to do then? Who says that they'll all move to BF2015 or another EA title at all?
@TRlALON Regarding the Reddit users; you didn’t address the fact that many users have no choice but to utilize outside platforms because of issues with EA / Origin. Yeah, 100%, some threads are garbo, but guess what, some threads on the official BF forums are garbo as well. I can’t post there but I can read them.
I agree that not every Youtube creator should be able to dictate game development and EA / DICE made their biggest mistake but not recognizing what portion of the player base they should consider back when the game was larger.
As for the player base; have you seen BF 2’s player base numbers? They’re incredibly low. When you talk about “what are all the current online players supposed to do?” … what players? The numbers show that hardly anyone plays this online anymore.
The biggest complaint with BF 2015 was no campaign … the biggest complaint with BF 2 is the online multiplayer. The campaign is great. So split the difference. Given the numbers it’s clear that the number of people who “expect” BF 2 to be online is a VAST minority. Besides, with all of the AI that’s been added to the game many modes are available even if the game isn’t online oriented.
I do agree that pulling BF 2 isn’t going to instantly fix EA’s reputation, but they have to start someplace. They have to start with some actions that begin to convey that they’re trying to turn a corner.
All I’m saying is that the suggestion of pulling BF 2 and leaving 2015 as the online platform could be a start, combined with other efforts.
I have more respect for someone that admits a mistake and starts making efforts to go in a new direction. I’m not saying pulling this title instantly makes that happen I’m saying it would be a step in that direction. They would still have more to do but as also a die hard Star Wars franchise fan I could live with BF 2’s offline content and 2015’s online content. At least I would have consistent and stable online gameplay.
Why would I want to hold on to a poorly designed broken game that yields junk gameplay value?
@VetteC5RXThe Origin problem doesn't change the general problematic though. Even if it's not limited to reddit, those posts of players not contempt with the latest change are going to appear.
"As for the player base; have you seen BF 2’s player base numbers? They’re incredibly low. When you talk about “what are all the current online players supposed to do?” … what players? The numbers show that hardly anyone plays this online anymore."
Should we get started about the player numbers of BF2015? That's not in a glorious spot either, but those players would be upset as well if EA just takes their game away.
"I do agree that pulling BF 2 isn’t going to instantly fix EA’s reputation, but they have to start someplace. They have to start with some actions that begin to convey that they’re trying to turn a corner.
All I’m saying is that the suggestion of pulling BF 2 and leaving 2015 as the online platform could be a start, combined with other efforts."
And I just say that this is entirely possible by adressing the future games, by showing result that are related to that and without doing something that will just feel negative, restrictive, like taking away something from players that like playing the game online for their own reasons and on top of that risk an outrage.
If they finally release that epic Battlefield game, it's the proof of their intent to keep that promise, nothing else needed.
See, both games have those crappy Rush modes, but only BFII has Supremacy that basically allows playing the Titan mode from BF2142 while also resembling the Clone Wars battles. It's not hard to imagine that this is a reason why people would play the game now and then.
The games have also some some greater differences in mechanics, so the entire online play is different enough to say that those are indeed 2 different games.
It's not like in Battlefield 3 and 4 which are very similar except some flashy new features like different knife skins, levolution...
Just let players play the game online if they want to, they can drop it themselves if they don't want to anymore.
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