Please enable Mouse Look Controls, this game is completely unplayable on mouse. I do not own any control peripherals besides m/k, so I had to refund the game. I've been playing videogames my entire life, but this flight control system made me legitimately question whether I had a motion disability. I couldn't figure out why I kept crashing into walls in the tutorial until I looked up what was wrong. Why is it not like Rebel Strike or Rogue Squadron or Battlefronts? My eyes keep defaulting to the cursor direction instead of the crosshairs by reflex, I literally cannot make my brain do what it wants me to. Please, devs, fix this... Why would the devs go and change an input consensus that has been there since the dark ages of gaming? How did they think this was a good idea? Did no one play the game before release??Tons of people on steam forums are saying the same thing. Here's someone elses reply from steam that is what I think: "You don't balance control inputs. That's the players direct connection to the game lol. Sloppy controls kills games. I want to play at 100% with my preferred input like everyone else can with theirs."

Have you ever played TIE Fighter game? Noone's talking about 'point'n'shoot' controls. Just make the ship turn by moving it's 'crosshair', not making it follow the mouse cursor. Imagine playing with a controller or a flightstick where instead of moving your ship you're moving a dot across the screen and it makes ship follow it. What a ridiculous idea eh? Now that's what we KB/M users are stuck with and it makes the otherwise fun game utter trash.

Yeah I agree. It makes the game almost impossible to play

Whether a mouse needs to be handicapped or not, the current method is horrible. I find myself having trouble just flying around the fleets in the intros, much less drawing a bead on an opposing fighter. Mouse control needs to be changed.

Hey mouse / keyboard friends, this reply by Brawndo0369 gets to an issue that goes beyond just leading cursor control:"I find myself having trouble just flying around the fleets in the intros, much less drawing a bead on an opposing fighter." This is a problem for ALL users of this game. The problem is "over-steering." The ship needs to go where we point it, whether we are using a mouse, controller, or flight stick. But instead, what happens is the ship keeps moving heading even after you get to where you want to point. It keeps drifting, so that you have to "counter steer" to straighten out. This did not happen in Xwing, Tie Fighter, XvT, or XWA, but is a new problem (feature??) with Squadrons. It makes simply steering your ship extra challenging, and it makes tight turns followed by good shots extremely hard to pull off. I believe this happens with all inputs, though I have only tried mouse and flight stick.Anyway, just thought I would point out that there are steering issues with every controller in this game. It is just impossible to do a quick turn and come out of it exactly where you want it to go without somehow calculating/guessing how much you need to counter-steer first. Perhaps if that were fixed, everyone would have an easier time adjusting to other idiosyncrasies of the game.Personally I am a flight stick user, old XvT / XWA player, but I used to play Wing Commander with a mouse back in the day, and Xwing sometimes. The method of mouse control used in Squadrons is actually traditional for both the Xwing and Wing Commander series. I have tried Squadrons with mouse and keyboard, and it feels fine, since I have experience with that. I do not see the disadvantage you all are talking about compared to flight stick, but I understand you are used to a different method from other games. I think it was Freelancer that started the trend of the guns shooting toward the cursor. The game *could* have been designed like that of course, but that is a completely different method of steering, shooting, and flight control. It could be implemented so that anyone (joystick, console controller, or mouse / keyboard) could move the cursor to where they want, and have guns follow immediately and heading follow eventually. However, that's not the way this game or its predecessors work. Instead you have to use your input method to basically "request" your ship to move in a certain direction, and then you have to calibrate your own inputs to come out of that turn when you are at the desired heading. I pointed out above how that is unusually hard in this game, whereas in others it has been easier. I would certainly vote for making the ship stop turning when you tell it to, no matter which input you are using. That might help everyone. But I don't know what that would take to implement now that the game is launched.

There is also lots of opinion on steam that the moment developers enable mouse look as you want - there will be no point to use other peripherials and joystick / controllers will be inferior - but of course you wont mention that

Please get rid of leading cursor control

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LThomps2000
5 years ago
If threy can't balance it then they should just disable crossplay
Spida_the_Smear
5 years ago
... When was the last time your saw any country field a fighter aircraft that used KB and M as the preferred platform? F22 rolling through the clouds with some prat wiggling a mouse.
If other peripheral devices are inferior, then quite simply they are inferior. That is a problem for the developer to address. If you sell a product as being functional with a given set of assumptions (use of KB and M for instance) yet make the product unusable under said advertised parameters, well then customers will do what I just did and hundreds before me and request refunds on a faulty product misleadingly advertised.
Maxer381
5 years ago
Game is beautiful in every aspect except - K + M SETTINGS ARE TOTAL CRAP .
I would ask for a refund but time has passed!
50% of game time u r swaying your ship back and forth.
Maxer381
5 years ago
@Spida_the_Smear wrote:
... When was the last time your saw any country field a fighter aircraft that used KB and M as the preferred platform? F22 rolling through the clouds with some prat wiggling a mouse.
If other peripheral devices are inferior, then quite simply they are inferior. That is a problem for the developer to address. If you sell a product as being functional with a given set of assumptions (use of KB and M for instance) yet make the product unusable under said advertised parameters, well then customers will do what I just did and hundreds before me and request refunds on a faulty product misleadingly advertised.
Game is excellent in every other aspect but controls are BIG problem and this is evidence!
Xarn3
5 years ago
I agree. Worse controls ever. Especially that there has been better controls used for over 20 years in other games.

I understand the developers intentions, but they should at least give us the option to play how we want. I never play multiplayer anyway, and never will.
AT LEAST, disable the appearing cursor... I don’t need it to tell me the direction I’m going...
KoroushGhazi
5 years ago
I hate to be that guy, but this needs to be said: unfortunately the solution to this and many other problems in modern PC games involves letting your wallet speak for you.
Never pre-order - indeed the whole concept of pre-orering a digital product is absurd; unless we're talking about a Collector's Edition with physical toys etc. they're never going to run out of any game, so throwing money at a company before a game is released is ridiculous and counterproductive.
And don't buy into the hype and get a game in the first few days/weeks of its release.
Once the publisher/developer has your money, they don't have much incentive to listen, especially as console gamers typically vastly outnumber PC gamers - so in cases like this where a change will benefit PC gamers but anger many console gamers, guess which group EA will serve?
I want to buy and play Squadrons. But I haven't, and I won't, until this is fixed. If enough people said and did this more often for all PC games, we'd stand a much better chance of being heard.
bodavinci
3 years ago
Geez l just got this game and I thought I was alone.
I played the ancient Xwing and Tie Fighter and have been an experienced game player.
I read through the thread and heard some different voices.
We can boil it down to 2 issues:
1) The developer mimic the mouse control with a joystick. So that it becomes "point and follow", some people hate it, but I am OK with it.
But the real problem is
2) They were so "thoughtful" to make the mouse cursor visible, which is so confusing, especially when the fight is busy and the screen is full of indicators.
I stopped playing at the mission where the player needs to run a Y Wing along the trenches to bomb. That this mission is almost unplayable. So I Googled to see if there's a way to turn the cursor off and ended up here. BUT, it's been 2 years, game developers you haven't even listened to the players!

All we asked is an option to turn off the mouse cursor during the flight, as simple as that.

The other issue I have is the Roll control, I can't map it with the mouse X, but I can with the game pad. I forget how it was in X Wing or Tie Fighter. But I remember I didn't have any issue with the controls.

This game is great to be honest, except for the bad controls. I am going to ask for a refund. Will buy back when it's fixed.
EA_Atic
DICE Team
3 years ago
This is on the older side of time, I'm closing this thread to stop it from being necroed.

If you have any issues with Star Wars Squadron, please make a new topic about your problems and what kind of steps you have tried to solve them.

/Atic

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