3 years ago
Stances
I have Jedi Survivor on PS5, it's running fairly well but has frame dips around running water, resolution drops in Rambler's Reach, and a couple of crashes when traveling between planets, but that ha...
could it just basically be like this mod? the mod they have up now doesn't work while moving or support switching using a controller though, plus I'd really prefer if EA and Respawn made an official patch that we can use on PS5 so we don't have to deal with the PC performance issues or having to buy the game again. https://www.reddit.com/r/FallenOrder/comments/13ay6mi/r457s_stance_swapping_mod_showcase/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
it would be a huge boost to quality of life to at least not have to go to save points to swap stances. i promise to be quiet for a very long time if they do 🙏
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Now then...
I tried CheatEngine (since I had that installed already) and used a table I found by googling "jedi survivor activate debug mode". After going through the steps, I've managed to activate the debug mode in the screenshot from the Nexusmod forum link. Activating the "Stance Cycle Mode" indeed allowed to use left and right D-Pad to cycle through all stances in order of Single > Double > Dual > Crossguard > Blaster > Single...
The equipped stance icons now display the next and previous stance. The extra crossguard parts disappear when switching to stances that are not immediately on either side of the crossguard. The fact that the stances are on a wheel also means you can't switch from, say, a crossguard to double, may hypothetically be a gameplay hinderance to some degree. I didn't try the mod, since the instructions don't recommend the controller (amongst other parts) and after doing Dark Souls with KB+M, I learned my lesson to not do that ever again with a melee souls-like.
I think this brings an interesting point. They knew that having the stance cycling is handy for testing, but they:
Fun fact, the Blaster stance is referred to as "Pirate" in the debug menu.
@N7Revit knew it was pirate inspired! man it sounds so close to finished, if they could just map that cycling to a single dpad button while you have the focus button held down, and have it set when you release, we're golden. I wouldn't necessarily mind if it took months to happen, but I gotta know whether it will before I end up breaking down and buying it again on PC just to use the wonky version.
Is there any word from EA/Respawn about the stances? As far as I've looked I haven't even really found any statements that confirm there're only two stances for balancing reasons. I know the bugs and performance issues have to take priority now and I want them to, I want everyone who wants to play the game and that's paid for the game to get to enjoy a smooth experience. But even with the game fully optimized, the stance limit just adds so many other issues to the game.
First of all, it's a hit to immersion to look at an all-in-one lightsaber hanging off Cal's belt the entire game, but having to go to a save point to treat it that way, and it feels especially frustrating when he switches stances in cutscenes, for finishing moves, to open crates, and ride chocobos, but you never get to use it that way.
Second is the time that it tacks onto the gameplay. Any time I'd like to experiment with a stance, get bored with a stance, or would just like to walk around with my blaster readied for story-telling, I can't do that without making additional trips to save points, and it doesn't matter that there are a lot of them, it's taking something you should logically be able to do on a whim and making your ability to act on it take several minutes.
And then there's the combat, as I've said, I can't find any official word that this was meant to balance the game, but even if there is, it doesn't seem to. The differences between what lightsaber you have in combat pale in comparison to how overpowered the Force makes you. Sure a double-bladed lightsaber is slightly more advantageous if you're surrounded or you come across a gatling trooper, but with the Force you can slam that entire group of enemies into the ground letting you freely attack them with whatever you have or pull a gatling trooper to you and open fire on the rest of the enemies. You can lift a hammer boss clear off the ground and fling him off of a cliff instead of fighting him for three to five minutes.
And that's not even getting into the step down in combat depth from the previous game. In Fallen Order, you could access all of your stances without a save point, albeit only two at the time, but you also had additional split-saber attacks, ironically giving Survivor less stance variation even with more stances. It also had combo pause variations and stance-switching attacks that allowed fluid transition to the other stance mid-combo. If you run the same single-blade+double-blade combo in Survivor, it's noticeably lacking from the first game, making it really feel like all of the additional stances were supposed to balance and complement each other with their specific trade-offs during combat and compensate for the removal of the other combat abilities.
Again, I know the performance issues are more pressing, but even in a perfect world where the game launched flawlessly or in a few months when they're all fixed, these problems would still persist. I'd just like some acknowledgment from development that they know it's a problem for a lot of us and make some kind of definitive statement on the state of stances so I know whether to keep holding out for an update or just bite the bullet and buy the game again on PC for the mod that adds it to the game, but I also really don't want to reward them twice over something they didn't bother to include. This really deflated my first playthrough of the game and I'm personally not interested in playing past the ending or starting a NG+ while the stances are still limited to two forcing all of these issues onto my experience with the game when I know it's capable of more.
I agree about the stances. It feels like they have been to busy making puzzles and mazes for the sake of challenge, instead of making the game overall smooth and just fun to play.
but aldo, the game is a sequel. So why has the protagonist lost all of the abilitys and tricks that he learnes in the first story?
not to mention the stuff? In the first story your lightsaber brakes and you mend it by merging it with Cere’s saber and a new kyber-krystal with the volor of your own choosing. But at the time og Survivor. You apperantly gave Cere her hilt back and switched your own kyber-krystal with Jaro Tapal’s again? Seems just lazy
Hiya, could we get an update to have Jedi Survivor include all stances during gameplay?
The two-stance limit makes everything feel really stale pretty quickly no matter which two you have. I know some people are concerned about balance, which I don't think is an actual problem, but perhaps the development team could make the stance limit dependent on difficulty or put a slider where you can choose your amount of stances in the accessibility options. Possibly introduce more stance slots as perks so it's a trade-off with other advantages that you could forgo in exchange for them. But again I don't believe the limit balances the game in any way and if people like the limitation, they could just personally choose to limit themselves.
It would really help replayability too, it was a pretty deflating experience to be stuck with two stances for the first run, and it eats up a lot of your time going to save points if you want to use them all. It would definitely be a smoother experience replaying the game if you don't have to do that just to have fun with the combat.
I would love to hear any updates at all about improvements to the stance system or at least some kind of definitive statement from EA/Respawn about them so we can at least know to stop asking.
Ok see you tomorrow 👋